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Oh - believe me - I mean it... I don't care if we that contribute is only a small percentage. I honestly feel that it is we that contribute who should get to voice our opinions in these forums (especially the "Contribution" and "Feature request" forums) without the mindless clutter from you poor lot that has been scorned so badly that you don't want to be part of the contributing community anymore (and by that I mean you CHOOSE not to be part by not contributing to the common good).

You are nothing more than leechers, constantly complaining and using every opportunity to remind everyone that "I don't contribute anymore because this and that".

Seriously!  
If you have that many suggestions towards making the program and data better - start pulling your load!!!   

Invelos makes no requirement that one must contribute to the main database in order to either (1) use the program, or (2) post comments in any of its forums. There is no "load" assigned.

Users and use-contributors are all affected by the quality of the main database and can therefore make meaningful comments in the Contribution forum. The feature request forum has such a wide range that its topics go far beyond the contribution aspect of the program.

You may take pride in your accomplishments with the content of the database. That's fine. But there's no need to belittle others because they don't fit your paradigm.

I am not belittling anyone! I am stating my opininon regarding the growth of this database! Users may well choose not to contribute, but to consistently remind (nag) others that they have chosen to do so is just plain annoying... 

Definition of belittle: To represent or speak of as contemptibly small or unimportant; disparage

You wrote contemptuously and portrayed those with whom you disagree as lesser than yourself because of the difference of opinion (eg. "mindless clutter from you poor lot", "you are nothing more than leachers", etc).

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I will stop now, before I get so many reds I'll be a part of Liverpool's starting 11...   

  I don't know what that means, but I'll take it to mean something undesirable. 

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Users may well choose not to contribute, but to consistently remind (nag) others that they have chosen to do so is just plain annoying... 

This part I agree on.  Why do we need to hear that such and such is why so and so doesn't contribute anymore?  Why do we need to see...?

"Adult isn't a genre, so I am keeping my data to myself."
"I don't condone spelling errors, so I am keeping my data to myself."
"Somebody did something, so I am keeping my data to myself."

If you don't want to contribute, don't contribute.  But if you say, "and that is why I don't contribute anymore," you are going to be called on it.  Why?  Because it all sounds so childish and petty.  That may not be how you meant it, but that is how it is coming across. 

I agree, in part.
In this context, adult and porn were specifically mentioned, and it seems this is a big bugbear for AESP and so the comment about not contributing is relevant and reasonable to make.
But there are a minority of users who seem to take great pleasure in telling everyone at every conceivable moment that they don't contribute anymore for 'x' amount of reasons.
You're right - they are under no obligation to contribute, and I strongly disagree with Berak's opinion that contributors should be considered "more important" than other users. But we don't need to be reminded about their decision over and over again.
I think it's just unfortunate that Berak chose AESP's statement as inspiration for his "rant", as it seemed obvious (to me, at least) that he wasn't talking about AESP but in fact other users. In fact, I think this is the first time I remember seeing AESP comment about not contributing.

PS Liverpool are a UK football (the proper one  ) team who wear an all red kit - and as a football team has 11 players, "starting 11" refers to those players who start the match. We're talking a lot of red... 

To quote the best film in the world:

"All is well."

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But there are a minority of users who seem to take great pleasure in telling everyone at every conceivable moment that they don't contribute anymore for 'x' amount of reasons.
You're right - they are under no obligation to contribute, and I strongly disagree with Berak's opinion that contributors should be considered "more important" than other users. But we don't need to be reminded about their decision over and over again.
I think it's just unfortunate that Berak chose AESP's statement as inspiration for his "rant", as it seemed obvious (to me, at least) that he wasn't talking about AESP but in fact other users. In fact, I think this is the first time I remember seeing AESP comment about not contributing.

Has Rick been giving you lessons?  Thanks for explaining what I failed to get across. 

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Wow, this seems to be a really hot topic.  While I think there are a few genres that should be added, such as an exercise genre for my workout DVD's, I agree with Skip, we don't need 100 genres to make our point.  Look at how nitpicky it becomes; Horror, Vampires, Cults, Lions and Tigers and Bears.  Next we'll differentiate between adult and porn or cartoons and cartoons not fit for children.

And here you have the exact reason why I don't contribute anymore and don't care about the database. Adult doesn't equal pornography, the genre "adult" doesn't exist and means absolutly nothing. Not the first time that I say that, but it's always a lost of my time to discuss this.

Although I agree with you that "Adult" is not a genre, rather a classification, IMO that's a petty reason for no longer contributing to or caring about the database .

I agree.

Skip

Who cares? Exactly what's your reason for not contributing anymore Skip? I'm sure other users would find that equally petty!
If AESP no longer wants to contribute, that's their choice and none of us have the right to criticise that decision. If you'd bothered to notice AESP's collection contains a lot of material that could be classed as adult. I'm sure it's very infuriating to have all these titles lumped under the "adult" genre when there are vast differences in the content of these titles.

Back on topic, I don't want to see the program overloaded with different genres, but we only have 20-odd at the minute. I'm sure there's plenty of room for quite a few more genres in there, including "surreal" as it doesn't fit easily under any other category.
PS. I also agree with AESP, adult is not a genre and should be removed. If Ken wants us to mark pornographic titles, give us a checkbox!

Since you asked, north, it is because of argumentative, combative jerks like you. I have invested a huge amount of my time providing data and images for a bunch of unappreciative cretins. OKAY, now ytou know, I have had it with the abuse, you aren't the only one, but because of a few rotten apples everybody suffers. You couldn't even word this post in manner which wwas not demeaning.

The adoption of this insane rep system which several users have turned inot a bizarre game, was simply the last straw. As I have said i have seen this kind of thing and the attendant childish behavior before. So, I have made the decision to keep MY DATA to myself, don't think for a second that i am happy about it.but I WILL NOT BE CONSTANTLY absued and dissed. If you don't like the price, then change the behavior that forced me to take the action I took.

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It was never my intention, in 1 and half year I have mention it maximum 3 times. My first post was a reaction to the adult/pornography amalgame that I dislike. For the rest I've just taken the first comment by Berak as a personnal attack (I don't think that I was necessary the target) since I've just made a post before the contributing comment.

I didn't have you in mind when I made that comment...even though I did use your reason as an example.  It was more of a general statement aimed at the few that do seem to wield their 'choice' as a weapon.