Quoting Patsa:

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Funny that no one has voted for what the cover actually says, it says: i, ROBOT 

Because that would be against the rules. The rules tell us how we have to capitalise a title. And they do not tell us to use the capitalisation from the cover.

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Quoting Patsa:

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Funny that no one has voted for what the cover actually says, it says: i, ROBOT 

Because that would be against the rules. The rules tell us how we have to capitalise a title. And they do not tell us to use the capitalisation from the cover.

Hey, don't ruin the joke with your rational thinking! 

Just remembered that I asked about this before.



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Quoting CubbyUps:

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For example, here is another example of a small i in a title.

. . .

Basically almost the same thing.
Three options as I see it.
1. THE i INSIDE
2. The i Inside
3. The I Inside

To me the small 'i' is done on purpose to draw attention to it for whatever reason. So for me it is more important to replicate what the cover is as closely as possible taking into consideration the reason the title is the way it is and capitalization. So in the case of the above, The i Inside is the best match.

But in such cases I keep it local.

Yes, the small "i" is done on purpose, because it is a stylized printing not intended to be the true capitalization of the actual title. To see this, one only need to look at the back cover, which actually says "The I Inside". (On another note, the back cover of the debated title reads "I, ROBOT".)

As recommended, I've changed my contribution notes to remove the link to the Fox online store. I've also referred to "i, ROBOT" as a stylized printing to distinguish it from a stylized title. Here's what I mean:

Stylized printings (correct title in parentheses):

"good night, and good luck." (Good Night, and Good Luck.)

"planet earth" (Planet Earth)

"TRAINING DAY" (Training Day)

Stylized title:

eXistenZ

Now you may argue that it's not our place to deduce the author's intent. But any rendering that does not strictly follow the capitalization on the front cover - such as "The i Inside", "i, Robot" and yes, "Planet Earth" - is in fact deducing intent, even in cases such as "Planet Earth" where most people would consider the intent blatently obvious.

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Quoting CubbyUps:

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For example, here is another example of a small i in a title.

. . .

Basically almost the same thing.
Three options as I see it.
1. THE i INSIDE
2. The i Inside
3. The I Inside

To me the small 'i' is done on purpose to draw attention to it for whatever reason. So for me it is more important to replicate what the cover is as closely as possible taking into consideration the reason the title is the way it is and capitalization. So in the case of the above, The i Inside is the best match.

But in such cases I keep it local.

Yes, the small "i" is done on purpose, because it is a stylized printing not intended to be the true capitalization of the actual title. To see this, one only need to look at the back cover, which actually says "The I Inside". (On another note, the back cover of the debated title reads "I, ROBOT".)

As recommended, I've changed my contribution notes to remove the link to the Fox online store. I've also referred to "i, ROBOT" as a stylized printing to distinguish it from a stylized title. Here's what I mean:

Stylized printings (correct title in parentheses):

"good night, and good luck." (Good Night, and Good Luck.)

"planet earth" (Planet Earth)

"TRAINING DAY" (Training Day)

Stylized title:

eXistenZ

Now you may argue that it's not our place to deduce the author's intent. But any rendering that does not strictly follow the capitalization on the front cover - such as "The i Inside", "i, Robot" and yes, "Planet Earth" - is in fact deducing intent, even in cases such as "Planet Earth" where most people would consider the intent blatently obvious.

Tony:

While I understand what you are saying and why re: The i Inside. You are making the same mistake you made with i, Robot. Pleasde read the rules, there is NO possessive involved, therefore anything from anywhere except the Front Cover is not acceptable, I don't care where you are getting it from. The Rule says Front Cover, not spine, not back cover, not some other site or book or even from the film, the FRONT COVER. Once you understand that then we can discuss the issues of the i or I.

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Quoting Tony Le:

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As recommended, I've changed my contribution notes to remove the link to the Fox online store. I've also referred to "i, ROBOT" as a stylized printing to distinguish it from a stylized title.

I think what you should do is just change the notes to say
"Title taken from front cover"

Just get rid of the rest of the documentation and you should be ok.

Thanks for the heads up, paul. I agree with what you said Tony should do. But nonethelss removing the outside source I voted neutral. I don't agree with the contribution for the reasons i outlined in my discussion relative to stylization. biut I am not comfortable necessarily voting No. But I think the correct answer for Tony is to leave it ALONE for the Online and do what he wants locally, that is what i did with it, and that there can be NO QUESTION follows the Rules to the letter. I think the whole debate over stylization is far to subjective, sometimes in titles it can be quite apparent as we have discussed numerous time, but i don't think this is one of those cases. It's why I also have never changed it  since someone took it to i, Robot some months back. I don't like it PERSONALLY, but it's not about what I like personally when we are discussing the Online, i, Robot absolutely followed the Rules. I, Robot can cussed, dis-cussed and re-cussed until the cows come home.

That's my advice to you, Tony.

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Quoting CubbyUps:

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But perhaps the only way to correct this is to state in the rules "Take the title only from the front cover exactly as it is shown, regardless of capitalization. However if their is no title or the title is composed of symbols or a picture then take the title from elsewhere on the dvd case(ideally from the credit block) and if not available then from the film itself.

Do you really want to capitalise the following titles as credited?

a fish Called Wanda
WINGS of DESIRE
eASt is eASt
LES iNVASiON BARBARES
BREakING ThE WaVES
monsoon WEDDING
ERIK the VIKING
a zed & TWO NOUGHTS
A HarDd Day's NiGhT
What about BOB?
Lock SToCk & Two SmokinNg BarrEls
mURiel's Wedding