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Put it the other way, if i'm allowed to profile all the LOTR profiles. Why should you not vote on contributions that concern the credits that influence the Credit Lookup Tool?

I have to admit I'm with Martin with this one. I didn't realise you were changing all the LOTR profiles and I wouldn't have approved of it if I had.
In this case, there is very little chance of there being different credits on different DVDs, but we have already seen other situations where exactly that has happened.
The only profiles we should be allowed to change are for DVDs we own or pre-releases. And we should only be allowed to vote on changes we can personally verify.

that should have been clear from the discussions in the Contribution Discussion. I did however not change anything outside the credits: Michael Hopkins (Mike Hopkins) SOUND from New Zealand, Wellington.

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Put it the other way, if i'm allowed to profile all the LOTR profiles. Why should you not vote on contributions that concern the credits that influence the Credit Lookup Tool?

I have to admit I'm with Martin with this one. I didn't realise you were changing all the LOTR profiles and I wouldn't have approved of it if I had.
In this case, there is very little chance of there being different credits on different DVDs, but we have already seen other situations where exactly that has happened.
The only profiles we should be allowed to change are for DVDs we own or pre-releases. And we should only be allowed to vote on changes we can personally verify.

that should have been clear from the discussions in the Contribution Discussion. I did however not change anything outside the credits: Michael Hopkins (Mike Hopkins) SOUND from New Zealand, Wellington.

While i understand what north is saying at the same tiume we have to have a way to make a LEGAL correction when it is discovered that a user is thinking outside the box or reading between the lkines and creating his own interpretation of the Rules as a result. Everything any of us does individually affects all of us, if one user is applying HIS own interpretation of the Rules by reading between the lines  in order to insert data that is not covered by the rules he affects all users. I will never tell ANY user that he should not have ANY data which he wants to locally, but the Rules spell out what we can do for Contributions and if we allstart thinking outside the box and reading between the lines we will have a mess in very short order. To put it bluntly I find Martin's rationalization to be very self-centered and only thinking about what he wants to do instead of thinking about what the Rules really say and how it impacts everyone else.

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The list is certainly incomplete, no doubt about it.

But the answer is to have Ken add additional acceptable roles to the list, not to just shoehorn roles that are not in the list wherever we feel like it.

IMO we have enough role names. I do not care if someone is credited as "cinematographer" or "director of photography". Both are the same to me. The same way I do not care if the director is credited as "director", "directed by", "a film by". I can't see any shoehorning here.

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The non-English (or the Queen's English) job names issue has been discussed numerous times and a viable change to the Rules was proposed in another thread.

I agree and hope that this proposal finds his way into the rules soon.

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I don't think anyone believes that all foreign language role names should be excluded.  That makes no sense at all.

See the discussion about the UK credits. Still several users argue that those role names should not be listed at all.

Open crew just won't work without a proper linking system.  And we still don't have that even for cast where we desperately need it.  If and when Ken can get that working, then we can talk about open crew.

In the interim, the suggestion for "additional music" being composer where there's no other original score credit works for me.  We have a similar situation with the sound credits where the data goes in a different place depending on whether the credit is in the sound credits or not.

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While i understand what north is saying at the same tiume we have to have a way to make a LEGAL correction when it is discovered that a user is thinking outside the box or reading between the lkines and creating his own interpretation of the Rules as a result. Everything any of us does individually affects all of us, if one user is applying HIS own interpretation of the Rules by reading between the lines  in order to insert data that is not covered by the rules he affects all users. I will never tell ANY user that he should not have ANY data which he wants to locally, but the Rules spell out what we can do for Contributions and if we allstart thinking outside the box and reading between the lines we will have a mess in very short order. To put it bluntly I find Martin's rationalization to be very self-centered and only thinking about what he wants to do instead of thinking about what the Rules really say and how it impacts everyone else.

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I must say I'm with Skip on this.
"Additional Music" is not in the Rules, not even by interpretation.
If any interpretation has to be made,  it seems to me that "additional" is in the same league as the "co-" stuff, which is expressly forbidden.
On top of that, this poll is largely against it (31 vs. 9, as of now).

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Actually, having just thought about it - I suppose you could say if "additional music" is the only credit given for original music then give a credit. But if the "additional music" credit accompanies a different music credit, then it doesn't. That make sense?

I see the merit in your proposal, but I really think we should keep it simple. Or we always enter a credit, or we don't, exceptions should be kept at a minimum.


As to Open Credits, we already had this discussion and we all know the problems of Open Credits. Besides, all the contribution work already done would be lost, wouldn't it? That's why I have a slightly different idea: an "Open Credits" field for each category  in addition to the existing fields.
I mean, you will be able to use the system you like better, or both of them: if you want the very complete crew as on screen, you can enter the open credits in the new additional field. If you want the usual roles, just keep using them. If you want both of them, enter both of them. What do you say?

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I must say I'm with Skip on this.
"Additional Music" is not in the Rules, not even by interpretation.
If any interpretation has to be made,  it seems to me that "additional" is in the same league as the "co-" stuff, which is expressly forbidden.

What EnryWiki said.

What kdh1949 said.

your all saying to much, i can't hear you! But i agree with you: aditional same league as co- for now

Keep spinning, Martin. 

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