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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
If the Rules said "enter end-of-line hyphens", I would enter end-of-line hyphens, no problem.
But the Rules do not say such a thing.
The Rules say that "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly...".
What does "exactly" means?
It means we copy the text as it is, but we do not duplicate size, color, font, or automatic line breaks. And that end-of-line hyphen is just a consequence of a line-break, to show that a word has been broken off at the end of a line.
So, there are different opinions whether it's part of the "thing" we exactly copy or not, and each opinion is as "per the Rules" as the other.
IMHO what we are copying is text. These hyphens have been inserted after the text has been typed, automatically by the word processing program, in order to end the word prematurely at the end of the line. The person who was writing the text didn't decide to enter 7 words then a 8th word with hyphen etc. The rules are perfectly clear - we enter the text entered by a human being. We do not enter text added afterwards by a computer. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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Talk about needing to get a grip.
Based on your response, I would believe that you do not have a full grasp of what an analogy is.
I know exactly what an analogy is, thank you very much. I said it was a MORONIC and INSULTING analogy. I, sarcastically, agreed with your statement that it was a perfect analogy. Notice, in both statements, I used the word 'analogy'. So, since you seem to have a problem with comprehension, I will explain it better. Yes, it was an analogy. No, it wasn't a good analogy as it was moronic, insulting and completely absurd. Do you understand now? 
Just because you can use the word in a sentence does not mean that you understand its meaning! Interpreting the analogy to mean: Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
It is a perfect analogy because entering stupid data into a db program is going to cause babies to drown is a clear indication that you haven't a clue what an analogy is. Analogous statements are not statements of equality or causality as you statement more than implies; they are statements of logic. It is only moronic and insulting in that it clearly demonstrates how absurd it is to place the "Rules" which were written by a fallible group of users (myself included) above the usefulness of the data. Thank God the real world does not operate under those kind of constraints. Quoting Unicus69 Quote:
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Anyone that advocates unwaivering adherence to the Rules to the detriment of the actual data has lost touch with reality, IMHO.
Just remember that you said that...I certainly will. Gee...should I be worried?  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | This was originally a reply to Hal. On second look, I decided that he really isn't worth the trouble. Much as I hate to admit it, I am starting to see Skip's point of view here. That saddens me.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, when there is little or no argument to be made, marginalize your opponent.
Very good! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Yes, when there is little or no argument to be made, marginalize your opponent.
Very good! Whatever makes you feel better about yourself Hal. You and your French friend are the ones who decided to make it about character. You had me sucked in for a minute, however, I will not play that game any longer. Do feel free to continue on your own. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You are being completely absurd in your analogies. That is fine, but don't expect me to pretend that you are being reasonable. I just wanted to show that in normal life, we can try to be intelligent and avoid following rules when it is correct or necessary to do that. I see that in dvdprofilerland, some people consider we must remain stupid (I use your word). As for contributing, you already know my position. If Ken wants strict rules, it is his right, but he will loose more and more contributors. But I'm not sure he really wants rules being strict in all cases, even when we are far beyond common sense. It would be interesting to have his opinion about that... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Strike me dead, but I'm agreeing with Surfeur here. I seriously doubt that Ken intended -- or would support -- the blind inclusion of hyphens which are used to format text in a fully justified line of text. Next we will have people arguing that we should include extra spaces between words so that the overview matches the justification of the box cover text. It makes just as much sense.  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Guys, chill out. It's going nowhere but down. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Next we will have people arguing that we should include extra spaces between words so that the overview matches the justification of the box cover text. It makes just as much sense. Only if we preserved line breaks - which we don't. So there! |
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| | Posted: | | | | You can emulate a tab with five spaces.  |
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| | Posted: | | | | I think this pretty much sums up how the community feels about this issue. It's nice to see that sanity can prevail around here.  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since some of us don't have access to the rules contribution committee, here's what's said in that thread: Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Common theme of the simple question about overview about formatting hyphens.
Formatting Hyphen: a dash that is included to allow a word to be broken up around a line break in order to minimize "white space".
The rules state that overviews "should match the back of the DVD case exactly, including capitalization of words exactly as it is shown on the back of the case". Strictly speaking, that leads to including the formatting hyphens. But since we currently do not preserve line wraps in DVDP, should we bring forward the formatting dash?
This profile currently does not have the formatting hyphens preserved. Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I am usually one that does not like to see many exceptions in the rules. But in this case... this is one exception I would like to see. Though... I wouldn't want to put any more exceptions to the overview rule. Ironically, even though I don't have access, I was able to bring up a reply window (though I didn't try posting). | | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
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Next we will have people arguing that we should include extra spaces between words so that the overview matches the justification of the box cover text. It makes just as much sense.
Only if we preserved line breaks - which we don't. So there! But it never says NOT to include line breaks in the rules? I think these now should be included otherwise the overview will not match exactly the text. We should either include <Line Break> or insert additional CRs so each line is only 7 or 8 words long. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Strike me dead, but I'm agreeing with Surfeur here.
I seriously doubt that Ken intended -- or would support -- the blind inclusion of hyphens which are used to format text in a fully justified line of text. Next we will have people arguing that we should include extra spaces between words so that the overview matches the justification of the box cover text. It makes just as much sense. we know that KenGerri take a far more pragmatic approach - after all when Gerri confirmed the possibility of making partial contributions of cast she was somewahat puzzled as to why some had thought this was forbidden. | | | | Paul |
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