Quoting skipnet50:

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Unicus:

Once we moved to writing i wsa a facillitator/co-ordinator whatever you want t call it. Prior to that process I had spent at least a year thinking through and conceptualizing the rules design. It was I who created As Credited and i believe i know precisely what was meant and trying to be achieved. Your opinion has NO VALIDITY to me, it used to but your BS has grown tiresome, my friend. And BS is precisely.  You knowq what you think you know, but that does not mean that what you think you know is correct, you have incomplete and inaccurate information which leads to false conclusions all the time. I am tired of fighting with an unarmed man. It's sad, unicus, but there it is.

Skip

Spin it any way you want Skip but that doesn't change the fact that NONE of this is covered by the rules.  I know you believe, because you "conceptualized the rules", that your opinion is the one that counts, but that simply isn't the case.  This is Ken's program and they are Ken's rules.  He is the ONLY person who can tell us what THE answer is.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Ken has chosen to remain silent on this issue.  That does not mean he believes your opinion is correct, it only means he has chosen to remain silent.

As far as 'as credited' goes, I know exactly what it means.  That, however, isn't the problem.  The problem is that Ken chose to give each name field a label.  Those labels, like it or not, have meaning.  As long as they have a label, and the rules don't tell us how names are to be entered, this problem will continue to come up.

Rather than posturing and 'puffing out your chest', why not try to help solve the problem?  Simply saying "there isn't a problem just do what I tell you," isn't helping anybody. 

Yes, that's what option 1 would involve.

It's not a bad idea in itself - I like the idea, however I hate to even imagine the amount of work involved in fixing all the profiles that would be affected. We are talking about possibly thousands of actors across hundreds of profiles.
The reason I prefer option 2 was because it would be a lot easier to implement and spread through the database - but maybe I'm missing something.

North:

Anything that winds up breaking the appearance pf the data is WRONG. I don't care what you say about it, just because the Asians treat names differrentltly, then just maybe to make people like you happy IF they are going to appear in Western films then they NEED to adjust themselves to the culture of the West instead of expecting the Culture of the West to adjust to them. China does not rule the world and deserves no special treatment.

You credit as you see it

I have never seen

John Wayne
Chow, Yun-Fat

That would look a little weird but at least it would follow English Rules for Last Name first. oh I forgot Chinese don't HAVE to follow English rules, English have to follow Chinese Rules. This comes down to the solution being LOCAL North.

Skip

Quoting skipnet50:

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North:

Anything that winds up breaking the appearance pf the data is WRONG. I don't care what you say about it, just because the Asians treat names differrentltly, then just maybe to make people like you happy IF they are going to appear in Western films then they NEED to adjust themselves to the culture of the West instead of expecting the Culture of the West to adjust to them. China does not rule the world and deserves no special treatment.

I don't know what kind of DVDs you are watching, but I want to profile movies/DVDs made for eastern audience with eastern credits (sometimes written in roman letters, sometimes in roman and asian).

It seems to me that you are afraid of the chinese culture. This is not a conflict, it's the search for a compromise. 

Quoting skipnet50:

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Anything that winds up breaking the appearance pf the data is WRONG.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record: how many times do you need the "credited as" feature explained to you? "Credited as" ensures that the appearance of the data can remain "as credited" under all circumstances. Without even favoring any proposal given in this thread, it's safe to say that none of them "breaks the appearance of the data" - that's exactly what we have the "credited as" feature for.

Quoting skipnet50:

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North:

Anything that winds up breaking the appearance pf the data is WRONG.

Entering 'Chow Yun Fat as, 'Yun Fat/ / Chow (credited as Chow Yun Fat)' does not break the appearance of the data.  The data will still appear as credited, which would be 'Chow Yun Fat'.

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I don't care what you say about it, just because the Asians treat names differrentltly, then just maybe to make people like you happy IF they are going to appear in Western films then they NEED to adjust themselves to the culture of the West instead of expecting the Culture of the West to adjust to them. China does not rule the world and deserves no special treatment.

You credit as you see it

I have never seen

John Wayne
Chow, Yun-Fat

That would look a little weird but at least it would follow English Rules for Last Name first. oh I forgot Chinese don't HAVE to follow English rules, English have to follow Chinese Rules. This comes down to the solution being LOCAL North.

Skip

And you call me an unarmed man?  We are NOT talking about western films here.  We are talking about entering the Asian cast, taken from an Asian film, into Profiler.  We make allowances for articles, such as 'de la', which are hispanic in origin.  There is no reason we can't make allowances for Asian names as well.

I'm really confused.  If "last name" in this program simply means "the last name to appear in the credit", then why do we have these arguments about Helena Bonham Carter?  If first, middle, and last simply refer to order, then there's no way "Bonham Carter" should be in the last name field, right?

So, given that we've already established that there are semantic meanings to those fields beyond simple word placement, why can't we agree that those semantic meanings should be consistently applied regardless of the culture of the credited?