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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah, but there is the rub. They are only non-standard credits if you consider the dancers to be 'actors'. I don't know what movie we are talking about but, normally, I do not consider dancers 'actors'...I consider them dancers. The dancers, that are also actors, are usually included in the 'normal' cast list. JMHO | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I think you misunderstand. What Giga said is, if someone is listed in the crew section as a dancer, you can not add them to the profile as 'dancer (uncredited)'.
If he is not listed in any of the credits, as a dancer, then he is not credited so can be entered as 'dancer (uncredited)'. Not sure you were just explaining GigaWizard's post or also agree with it. I agree that the "credited" cast should come from 'that single section where the actors are grouped together'. However, I don't think the fact that someone is credited elsewhere (for whatever reason) does automatically means they cannot even be added as (uncredited). ...I am not specifically thinking of the dancers but more like the case of the Jackson kids in Lord of the Rings. They should be allowed to be entered at least as (uncredited). | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
I agree that the "credited" cast should come from 'that single section where the actors are grouped together'. However, I don't think the fact that someone is credited elsewhere (for whatever reason) does automatically means they cannot even be added as (uncredited). Not what I meant either. As an example, Peter Jackson is credited as director for all 3 LotR movies. This does not mean he can't be added as an uncredited actor. However, if someone is listed in the crew section as a dancer, you can NOT add them to the cast section as 'uncredited' with the same role. Does that help? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | I like everyone who is visible or audible in a movie to be part of "our" cast list. I think it's strange to be allowed and to add uncredited people but to leave out the ones who are really credited somewhere. You could say that both are "not required entries" and so may be entered if you want to. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Not what I meant either. As an example, Peter Jackson is credited as director for all 3 LotR movies. This does not mean he can't be added as an uncredited actor. However, if someone is listed in the crew section as a dancer, you can NOT add them to the cast section as 'uncredited' with the same role.
Does that help? Well, it was what you meant  Jackson's kids are credited in the end credits as "Cute Hobbit Child" (or slightly differently in the other movies). They are not credited within the regular Cast section, but somewhere below in the Crew section. Following what you said I can neither add them as credited cast nor as uncredited. They are in the movie. It is easy to proof what role they played and what their names are. Yes we cannot credit them?  Or do I actually need to cvhange the role as to not match the end credits so that I could enter them uncredited? | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
They are in the movie. It is easy to proof what role they played and what their names are. Yes we cannot credit them? Or do I actually need to cvhange the role as to not match the end credits so that I could enter them uncredited? Exactly my point. Thanks for giving such a good example. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Yes, except for stunt people and body doubles. Why? They are visible on screen. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Well, it was what you meant
Jackson's kids are credited in the end credits as "Cute Hobbit Child" (or slightly differently in the other movies). They are not credited within the regular Cast section, but somewhere below in the Crew section. Following what you said I can neither add them as credited cast nor as uncredited.
They are in the movie. It is easy to proof what role they played and what their names are. Yes we cannot credit them? Or do I actually need to cvhange the role as to not match the end credits so that I could enter them uncredited? Go back and re-read my replies to PDF. If what you say is true, and I am not doubting it I just haven't checked, they are 'credited actors'. That means all credited actors involved are NOT listed together in a single section at the end of the film. That being the case, these do not qualify as 'standard credits' and they can be entered. The dancers are a different case. They are not, IMHO, credited 'actors'. They are credited 'dancers'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Yes, except for stunt people and body doubles.
Why? They are visible on screen. It really look like you love to argumenting for nothing. Stunt people and body double don't play a role they replace another actors. Their presence on screen are not suppose to be notified. That's not complicated, unless you just want to argue for the fun of it  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting ya_shin:
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Well, it was what you meant
Jackson's kids are credited in the end credits as "Cute Hobbit Child" (or slightly differently in the other movies). They are not credited within the regular Cast section, but somewhere below in the Crew section. Following what you said I can neither add them as credited cast nor as uncredited.
They are in the movie. It is easy to proof what role they played and what their names are. Yes we cannot credit them? Or do I actually need to cvhange the role as to not match the end credits so that I could enter them uncredited?
Go back and re-read my replies to PDF. If what you say is true, and I am not doubting it I just haven't checked, they are 'credited actors'. That means all credited actors involved are NOT listed together in a single section at the end of the film. That being the case, these do not qualify as 'standard credits' and they can be entered.
The dancers are a different case. They are not, IMHO, credited 'actors'. They are credited 'dancers'. So, we need to go back and remove all of those non-actor dancers from our profiles? Should we remove Rudolph Nureyev from the Muppet Show? He may have been the guest star, but after all he is just a dancer!We should go back to 'A Hard Days Night' and remove the Beatles, after all they are just singers. And last but not least we should remove Keanu Reeves from the Matrix, he was not acting, just being himself! pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Yes, except for stunt people and body doubles.
Why? They are visible on screen.
It really look like you love to argumenting for nothing.
Stunt people and body double don't play a role they replace another actors. Their presence on screen are not suppose to be notified. That's not complicated, unless you just want to argue for the fun of it That wasn't Martin's criteria. He said, and I quote, "I like everyone who is visible or audible in a movie to be part of "our" cast list." His statement, about stunt people and body doubles, contradicts the one I just quoted. At the very least, it sounds like he simply wants to include the people he feels should be there and exclude the ones he doesn't. This line of thinking is the reason we have rules instead of guidelines. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
So, we need to go back and remove all of those non-actor dancers from our profiles? Should we remove Rudolph Nureyev from the Muppet Show? He may have been the guest star, but after all he is just a dancer!
We should go back to 'A Hard Days Night' and remove the Beatles, after all they are just singers.
And last but not least we should remove Keanu Reeves from the Matrix, he was not acting, just being himself!
pdf I know you are just being sarcastic, but that isn't what I said. Singers and dancers can be actors, I never said otherwise. But if they are credited with the crew instead of the cast, they do not qualify for a profiler cast credit. That is how the rules are written. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
That wasn't Martin's criteria. He said, and I quote, "I like everyone who is visible or audible in a movie to be part of "our" cast list." I don't pretend to talk for him, but maybe it's because english isn't his first language. It's not always easy to be clear when we don't mastered the language, I know since it's the case sometimes for me. Just reverse the role and imagine that you are on a discussion involving your second language, I'm sure that you understand that it's not that easy to think at all the little exeption and subtility. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | apparantly this is a new sport: rules bending. redefine everytime when you like it the rules to fit in what ever you like to see in the cast credits. oh boy!  thanks for the negative reputation vote on this one  | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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