Quoting VibroCount:

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Certain titles are held for a lifetime.

In US politics, all of which, save two, are such. After you serve as City Councilmember, Mayor, State Senator, State Assembly member, Congress member, Senator, Ambassador, Cabinet member (Secretary), Governor, Judge, Justice, etc.... you retain that honor forever. On the other hand, it is incorrect to refer to a former President or Vice President with the "President" or "Vice President" title, unless preceeded by "former". There is only one President of the United States; all other living ones are correctly called by their highest held position outside that one. Thus, Governor Clinton, Ambassador Bush, Governor Reagan, Governor Carter, Congressman Ford, Senator Nixon, etc. All can be referred to as former President, but not as President (and be politically correct). Same goes for Vice President.

Only one at a time for each... we do not have more than one President (and Vice President).

On the other (other) hand, when writing history, referring to acts, circumstances, and everything else during a person's presidency, it would be correct to refer to President Johnson, President Lincoln... while they were in office.

At least that is what I was taught in history and journalism classes...



All of which has been more honored in the breach over the past couple of decades.

According to Google News (which ought to be a decent guide to current rather than historical articles), the phrase "President Clinton" is preceded by the word "former" about half the time. It seems to be about as common as not for newspapers to refer to former presidents as if they still held the title. My non-professional experience is that it's less common for former senators or governors to receive that honour.

exactly... so the common name will be a name most credited so if the name is not credited that way at all for said cast member it can not be the most commonly credited name... so can't be Bill Bradley (Senator Bill Bradley) as he has never been credited in anything else as Bill Bradley.

I personally will only contribute and vote per the rules and Ken's statements here.... and going by the rules... and ken's clarifications this is his wish. At least till he changes it and posts/updates rules differently.

How do we handle Sir Alec Guinness and Sir Laurence Olivier?

I'm not at home so can't get to my database.

I was just asking because I would think that Senator Bill Bradley should be treated just like Sir Alec Guiness and Sir Laurence Olivier.

The title and first name in the first field.

Senator Bill//Bradley  Sir Alec//Guiness  Sir Laurence//Olivier.

I have a problem with the title in the first name field for a reason we're actually discussing here - political titles.  Let's say Senator John Doe gets elected persident.  Now his title is President John Doe.  He's credited on some appearance with Senator, and some with President.  Wouldn't it be prudent to use "John//Doe [as Senator John Doe]" and "John//Doe [as President John Doe]" accordingly?  At least his profiles will link.  Political titles may be with you for life, but only the highest one.  Credits may have appeared with the prior ones.

Quoting skipnet50:

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Exactly, Enry. So see my discussion earlier. IF the As Credited data is NOT correct then we will NEVE be able to get accurate results for the Alias (Credoited As) In short As Credited has to be coirrect FIRST.

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Agree.

Only thing, I would stick with standard terminology as used in the program.

Lets click on Edit - Cast (or Crew) and then on an actor (or crew member) listed in a profile:

There are three fields: Name (the so said Common Name), Credited As, Role.

The Credited As field must ALWAYS show the credited name as on screen, regardless.

The Name field will be the same as the Credited As, unless we assign a cast/crew member to the profile and then we modify the Credited As in order to match the screen.

If the common Name differs from the credited name, id est Name <> Credited As, then the Name must be the most commonly credited name.

WRONG Tim. You obviously have not been paying attention. so i will try again. The COMMON name (Alias) is determined based on the population of ALL possible names. It si not for you o=r any other user to depart from that. To jump straight to Alias you are not properly populating the Alias list and are therefore getting erroneous answers. the AS CREDITED data MUST by Ken's own definitions come first, thus Sir Alec//Guiness.

How many different ways can I explain this simple concept, I wonder.

Did i make it simple enough for you.

Perhaps you are interested in half right or completely incorrect data, I am not. And you're threatened NO vote would be in direct violation of the rules. Do you NOT understand the meaning of the word EXACTLY.

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Quoting mdnitoil:

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I don't really have a dog in this fight but I think you jumped on Tim erroneously.

I do, too. I have no intention of explaining the entire "name" vs. "credited as" system once again, but rest assured that if I see a contribution with Sir Alec/Guinness in the "name" field, I will vote against it. And I won't just feel backed up by my own sense of logic, but also by the credit lookup tool. FYI: I do understand that Alec Guinness was just an example. Personally I would NEVER include a title in the "name" field, but for this particular example the credit lookup results were so good that I just had to point it out...