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Thus, the only proper way of handling this is to use the opening credits only, and that's what I did. From my point of view it's a rational solution that's perfectly within the rules.

I agree with you, Michael. Since the end credits after Episode 12 are clearly labeled as those for Episode 6, they can't be used in DVD Profiler under an Episode 12 divider.

The only credits which are usable are those from the beginning of Episode 12 since essentially Episode 12 has no end credits on the disc.

The minor cast from Episode 12 could be easily added as (uncredited) using the documentation that they are credited as such in a different edition, but you are of course not obligated to do so.

Thus the only ultimate loss are the miscellaneous crew from the lost end credits which can't be added on an uncredited basis.

Good catch and thanks for hosting the XMLs.

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I beg to differ Northbloke. He is obligated due to the fact that this isn't a new profile contribution that doesn't already have a cast list. He's altering an already approved profile and removing information already there which is correct as credited on disc but incorrect due to a technical error. Just my opinion.

The existing cast list was a direct copy from IMDb, which was dumped into the profile without even using episode dividers, so technically I didn't remove anything (at least nothing compliant with the rules).

Just one last word about my contribution: I'm really surprised some users feel that my contribution is a rule violation. The users who know me from several years of work for the Profiler know that I'm not the type of user to deliberately ignore the rules. I have absolutely no problem, for example, entering an incorrect credit entry "as is" into the profile and "correcting" it with a common name. The situation here is completely different, though. My interpretation of having a credit list from a different episode is that the end credits for this episode are simply non-existent. Thus, the only proper way of handling this is to use the opening credits only, and that's what I did. From my point of view it's a rational solution that's perfectly within the rules.

I beg to differ with you, Tigi. It was a direct copy from the credits of the film. I know, it was MY TIME that was involved, perhaps, IMDb got one right for a change. But you are wrong.

Tigi, you asked a reasonable question and were provided a reasonable answer that would follow the Rules and provide for the correct data. However, that is not the answer that you abviously wanted to hear. So, instead you deceided to blatantly and deliberatly BREAK the Rules because that is what YOU wanted to do.  What is really sad, is that as a result you have dramatically lowered my personal opinion of you.

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I don't even interpret it that way based on any kind of reading of the Rules, Unicus. Tigi is simply ttrying to twist and ignore the Rules to suit his OWN preference and we all Know my position on personal prefences. Keep it LOCALLY. I see what he is trying to do, he is trying to pick and choose the Rules to his taste.

He broke the Rules, plain and simple.

There are also other errors in his Contribution which are INCORRECT.

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You know, since the correct complete credits are available on the original release of the series (which I still have in a drawer somewhere), I think rather than debate this one back and forth endlessly, we should ask Ken what he thinks we should do in this particular instance.

I'd much rather have the correct episode 12 credits for the episode in the system than episode 6. Minor errors are one thing to duplicate, but this is not a minor error, but a complete fubar.

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You know, since the correct complete credits are available on the original release of the series (which I still have in a drawer somewhere)...

Which (the original release) ought to be kept and watched while you toss the newer release away (in a drawer or out). On the newer DVD release, to get a "widescreen" presentation, the film was cropped on the top and bottom of every frame. It's the widescreen version of pan & scan. The series was filmed and aired as video on HBO before HDTV, not as a widescreen release...

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Which (the original release) ought to be kept and watched while you toss the newer release away (in a drawer or out). On the newer DVD release, to get a "widescreen" presentation, the film was cropped on the top and bottom of every frame. It's the widescreen version of pan & scan. The series was filmed and aired as video on HBO before HDTV, not as a widescreen release...

Don't have this new release (only the first print from the old century...) and havent seen it, but wasn't it made for both format in those days, as it was to come to life after the apollo 13 movie?  Like James Cameron who prepear all his movies to fit all screens from 4:3 to 2.35:1?  The studios started to think for the future long before this, with mastering on super 16mm and so on, so they could go HD at time for that.  Is the new print actually so bad it can be trunched? 

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Skip, you might foam as much as you like, if it makes you happy.
My upload is correct, it will be accepted, and that is that.

I wish you a happy new year !

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On what do you base that false conclusion, votes. Then you will be very surprised if it gets turned down because you blatantly ignored the Rules, won't you. Have you not yet learned that votes do not necessarily count?

As I said I am not only embarassed that you have taken this route, my personal opinion of you has dropped dramatically and that makes me sad. You ARE beyond doubt attempting to corrupt the database with data that is outside of the Rules.

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Which (the original release) ought to be kept and watched while you toss the newer release away (in a drawer or out). On the newer DVD release, to get a "widescreen" presentation, the film was cropped on the top and bottom of every frame. It's the widescreen version of pan & scan. The series was filmed and aired as video on HBO before HDTV, not as a widescreen release...

Don't have this new release (only the first print from the old century...) and havent seen it, but wasn't it made for both format in those days, as it was to come to life after the apollo 13 movie?  Like James Cameron who prepear all his movies to fit all screens from 4:3 to 2.35:1?  The studios started to think for the future long before this, with mastering on super 16mm and so on, so they could go HD at time for that.  Is the new print actually so bad it can be trunched? 

No. It was made for premium cable, and was first aired in the year the first HDTVs were sold. HBO did not broadcast in HD that year, and only started HBOHD in 1999, the year after the DVD was released.

Easier yet, look at the first (4x3) DVD release, then look at the second DVD release... 16x9 for sure, but you will notice that the image is cropped on the top & bottom, and no additional visuals show up on the sides. Shot in full-frame, not in widescreen.