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Child Profile TV Series Bonus Features Disc - Yes or no? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I am willing to listen to why you believe that the seaparate profile is the best choice since we do not do that elsewhere, I haven't see a rationale to it yet. I am willing to make an exception to Bonus Discs that are separately cased because they are relatively rare. But we do NOT profile Bonus discs, somebody explain why we should in this case. I see a lot of I think that is correct or I agree but no one is presenting an argument to support it. PLEASE somebody do so, and Nadja don't simply fall on the Rules do not specify it to suit you. I want a logical argument, PLEASE.
Somebody...ANYBODY.
Skip I beg to differ. We do profile bonus discs...when the are in a 'Box Set' and contain material that covers all the features in the set. This is per the rules. You don't have to like it, but the rules allow it so you have to accept it. Anything else should be kept local. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting cmaeditor:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Nadja:
That 24 to which you refer to is separately cased and has it's own cover Art. That is exactly what I referred too. Now I am off to re-read your post.
Skip
All the seasons of 24 are digipack. No seperate case for the bonus disc.
Incorrect Cmae, you clearly have not bought Season 5 yet.  That was the FIRST season to be packaged in ThinPaks, which subsequently led to the re-relaese of the other seasons in like packaging. <shrugs> Not my fault, I wasn't asked about the packaging choice by Fox.
How odd, you do own Season 5, go look at it again. 
Skip My mistake. For some reason I had forgotten this. Still, seasons 2-4 have child profiles for the Bonus discs as well, and they were all digipack when I bought them. | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think if you look at mine you will find that I have them set up as I have described, except for Season 4 which I have to move when i get home, cmae. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I am willing to listen to why you believe that the seaparate profile is the best choice since we do not do that elsewhere, I haven't see a rationale to it yet. I am willing to make an exception to Bonus Discs that are separately cased because they are relatively rare. But we do NOT profile Bonus discs, somebody explain why we should in this case. I see a lot of I think that is correct or I agree but no one is presenting an argument to support it. PLEASE somebody do so, and Nadja don't simply fall on the Rules do not specify it to suit you. I want a logical argument, PLEASE.
Somebody...ANYBODY.
Skip
I beg to differ. We do profile bonus discs...when the are in a 'Box Set' and contain material that covers all the features in the set. This is per the rules. You don't have to like it, but the rules allow it so you have to accept it. Anything else should be kept local. I see no response there, Unicus. Isee what I saw from Nadja, not a logical argument but saying the Rules allow it, I am still asking for a LOGICAL argument for why that should be TRUE. As with nadja, by your logic we should begin breaking out all Bonus Discs. Please somebody give me something I can sink my teeth into instead of pablum. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, you haven't read anything I've read. In petitioning for child profile to be acceptable for TV sets, you have asked for them to be treated, at that level, as box sets, equal to movie box sets. TV parents are equal to single movie releases (single or multi-disc), but the child profiles are not, and cannot possibly be, otherwise there would be no need or desire for them.
You can't say "I want child profile so I can make nice manageable trees ou of them", and then abandon all other traditions in this role. A case in point is the Scream box set in R1. Three individual features, and one bonus disc. The content on the bonus disc applies to all the other main features, and so it has its on profile. Well, this is true of pretty much any TV set. As an example we'll use 24, also in R1. Season five first, since you have managed to understand that one. Each disc counts as its own feature, if it didn't, then there would be no consistency in dividing it so, this would simply be arbitrary and useless. Therefore, as brought up by Addicted2DVD, I believe, the seventh disc in the set applies to all the separate "main features", and thus is eligible for its own profile, elsewise we'd have to deal with the pitfalls I outlined in my second post (which you clearly have not read, or maybe not understood), or simply ignore the content of that disc completely, which is inconsistent and daft.
However, you cannot then fail to apply the same logic to the earlier seasons, and indeed any other digipak sets. Movie box set get their own profiles if they are in digipaks, including bonus discs that apply to all the main features. The same would be true of multiple features on multiple discs in a single keep case. For you to arbitrarily declare that packaging is a factor in TV sets is, as you have so vehemently argued against, inconsistent, and therefore cannot be used as a factor in determining how to deal with such profiles. Everyone else can see it, why can't you? | | | | Last edited: by Nadja |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I will address this when I return, Nadja. But there are some inconsistencies in your argument and I THINK i understand where they are. C'ya in a few hours
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I see no response there, Unicus. Isee what I saw from Nadja, not a logical argument but saying the Rules allow it, I am still asking for a LOGICAL argument for why that should be TRUE. I find this quite funny. When you agree with a rule, and someone else doesn't, your mantra is "just follow the rules." When you don't agree with a rule, all of a sudden it is, "give me a logical argument to support it." You are beginning to sound like your French friend.  Quote:
As with nadja, by your logic we should begin breaking out all Bonus Discs. Please somebody give me something I can sink my teeth into instead of pablum.
Skip Using your twisted logic maybe, but not by my logic. By my logic,which is covered by the rules, the ONLY bonus discs that get profiled are those in Box Sets that cover every feature in the set. It sure seems fairly simple and straight forward. I guess I was wrong. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I will address this when I return, Nadja. But there are some inconsistencies in your argument and I THINK i understand where they are. C'ya in a few hours
Skip "Clearly you are not intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying. No matter." |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
... You are beginning to sound like your French friend... Please can you explain what you mean ? I don't think I never had two different attitudes about rules. I have only one and never changed it... And if it was just to tease Skip, I thank you about what it means for me...  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | For TV box sets, I profile a bonus disc. Why because its a DVD profiler and I want to see what is on the disc. thats why I use the program in the first place. If I just wanted to catalog them I could use a spread sheet. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I am willing to listen to why you believe that the seaparate profile is the best choice since we do not do that elsewhere, I haven't see a rationale to it yet. The rationale is consistency with Box-sets Quoting Box-set Rules: Quote:
If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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... You are beginning to sound like your French friend...
Please can you explain what you mean ? I don't think I never had two different attitudes about rules. I have only one and never changed it...
And if it was just to tease Skip, I thank you about what it means for me... I wrote it wrong. I did not mean to imply that you had two different attitudes about the rules. I can see, now that I have read it again, how it came off that way. You don't like the rules because you don't think they make any sense...at least that is what I believe you have said. Skip doesn't like this rule. His request, that someone explain the logic of this rule, indicates to me that he believes it doesn't make sense so we shouldn't follow it. It is that 'attitude' towards the rules that I was comparing to you. My apolagies for the misunderstanding. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | On second thought it appears that there is absolutely no useful purpose served by even attempting to engage in a civil discussion with anyone here. Pardon me for even daring to have a thought. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
On second thought it appears that is absolutely no useful purpose served by even attempting to engage in a civil discussion with anyone here. Pardon me for even daring to have a thought. You are pardoned. Just don't let it happen again  | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
My apolagies for the misunderstanding. Don't worry about that. I have really a high opinion of your honesty.  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You don't like the rules because you don't think they make any sense...at least that is what I believe you have said. To be precise, I think they often go in too much details that make them difficult to use (and impossible to understand for people who don't speak english). I dream of a simplier system where the voting system would be used to "judge" the quality of the contribution, just through the common sense which should be the opinion of the majority. But I also know that this opinion is not OK with people who post in the contribution forum. What about the silent majority who use the program and never contribute ??? I don't know the answer, but I think the question have sense... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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