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What I don't understand is why these people find the need to deprive those of us who want only the parent profile from having any info and forcing us to use child profiles. If you are only using the parent then you need that info to be in there. If you are using the child profiles then what difference does it make what is in the parent? And if you need it to be empty then delete everything in there. It's much easier to delete something then it is for me to enter cast and crew and all that other stuff for every parent profile of a TV series that doesn't have the data already there.

Why should we have to do all your work for you?  If you want all that stuff in the parent, then put it in there yourself - in other words, do the work.

I don't have a problem with that if that's what you want in YOUR local, but it's a two way street.

Not a two way street at all...like I already said it's much simpler to delete stuff than it is to add stuff. Next...how am I to get updates for my tv show profiles if the parent profile has no data being put into it? All the updates will be done to the child profiles. I guess I should just periodically check each and every one to see if something has changed. That really is not feasible. If you wanna use child profiles go ahead...knock yourself out...I have no interest in stopping you...and I certainly don't wanna get in the way of you enjoying the program. Why are you then trying to prevent me from using only the parent? Don't be so selfish. If there is data in the parent it doesn't affect you in any way.

And your comment about doing the work myself is out in left field since the whole point of this program is to minimize the amount of work each one of us does by downloading contributions others make.

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Talk about splitting hairs.  Sounds like lawyer-speak to me.  The intent is clear that the boxset rules should be used.

Well now we're getting somewhere...if you wrote the rules then why don't you explain this to the rest of us and get some of your crew to do so as well. I brought this issue up weeks ago and nobody shed any light on this. What exactly did you guys mean when you wrote that? That's all we wanna know....let's settle this so it doesn't have to last another 50 pages like threads usually do around here. If you didn't write the rules then forget what I said.

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If you really look at what the rules say about TV on DVD profiles contributions today (not what it may make sense to do, or what the rules may say tomorrow), they aren’t that ambiguous:

TV Series on DVD come in 2 separate types:
Complete Series/Season sets
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Anthologies of Episodes that do not form a complete series or season.

So is what I contributed a complete series or season, or is it an anthology?  Well it doesn't really matter because:

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Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes – List all Cast Members for a TV Series appropriately. Use the Divider feature to indicate episode divisions.

After that stement, it is written that it is the disc level profiles that are the optional ones:

Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.

In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.

I don't really see how one could make a case for the position that the cast/crew should not be in the parent profile from those statements.  Does that make it the best way? That is a completely different question.

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Also note that in my Black Adder contribution it is 5 discs in one package, and not 5 discs in one package with several packages in a bigger package.  So this is not a "grandchildren" or "mega set" profile problem either.

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Well, perhaps you don't realize then that there are a number of people here who have busted a gut trying to prevent us from adding child profiles.  You have to understand that I don't have a personal dog in this fight.  MY interest is in making the online database the most efficient starting point, with the most accurate data available, using the tools Ken gave us in the program along with time-tested database management techniques.

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There are a number of people who can't seem to understand that you don't have to cram everything into one profile to have all the data available.  Ease of use is as important as what you have available.  They don't want to do the work, however, once they get the basic product, to make it into a form they find appealing.

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As a result, me, and Skip and a few others, catch a lot of crap.  But I'm like a Missouri mule.  I don't push so easy, and if you push me hard, I tend to push back.  Some people here don't like that either. 

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By the way, don't let what Hal says buffalo you either.  There is a way to do a megaset that was worked out and presented right from the beginning that accommodates everybody.  But as I pointed out early on, if you want to profile one of those monsters with all the data in the master profile, you find you have something nearly unmanageable in terms of doing quick lookups, updates, etc.  From a data management standpoint, child profiles make sense because the data is in smaller, more manageable chunks.  While it is true we don't have grandchild profiling yet (and it will come despite what Hal thinks), we don't have to deal with a "box in a box" either.

Profile each disc and its contents using Disc ID (or UPC if appropriate), set the box for each season aside for now, and do a profile for the megabox as the parent.  Now, most of the season sets already have child profiles done, so its mostly a matter of just gathering them together under one master.  However you want it, do what floats your boat.  But realize there is more than one way to skin a profile.

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However, the Rule was intended to be applied to releases where a distributor bundled multiple seasons of the same TV show into a single unit and sold them under a single UPC. 

So when you guys wrote this was it meant to apply to megasets only, where you have let's say 8 digipaks of 8 seasons of a show that a distributor then bundles together in one boxset. In this case you're dealing with probably over 20 or 30 dvd's and maybe 100 or 200 episodes. Also those individual seasons that were already released most likely didn't differ in any way from what was in the boxset.

Or was it written for any TV show release that had 'Complete Series' on the packaging no matter how small the release? Namely I'm refering to things like 'Fawlty Towers: The Complete Collection' which is 12 episodes on 3 discs. Also 'Black Adder: The Complete Collection' which is 24 episodes on 5 discs.

With respect to the Black Adder set the individual seasons were not first released seperately and then bundled together. The initial release was a digipak of the whole series on 5 discs and the 5 seasons/series were also released seperately per disc at the same time in keep cases. The 5 keep cases weren't however bundled into a boxset...the complete series is a digipak. Content of the dvd's is however the same.

The final thing I would like to point out is that Black Adder 5 isn't a season. It's one episode...so here you have a situation where we're treating one episode of a show as an entire season. I think that things like this set could easily be treated as 1 season of a series with 24 episodes just like let's say Seinfeld is being treated. But hey if that is not what you intended then so be it...thanks for the response Hal and hopefully you can explain this a little more. Anyone else who was involved in writing this as well please post your thoughts.

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Not to mention "megaset" is a term that was coined for descriptive use in the forums only as far as I can tell.