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Italics in Overviews.... now it's optional???
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
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As I said, Rick that is aviolation your vote privileges and blackmail.



From the rules (bold added by me)

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Voting Rules

All voting should be based on support of these Rules.

    * If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible. 


You are submitting inaccurate data. My no vote is not only within the rules but is my responsibility if I choose to vote.

Still not sure how it could even be considered blackmail 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantNEWT0N
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BTW What's the UPC of that profile? I'd like to see the contribution notes.


085391-666820

direct link to contribution notes:

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=4396&PageNum=LAST
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Unicus:

I made NO change to the existing data, by MY choice, save for the title in italics. Is that HARD to comprehend. There was ONE word that is also italicized on the case, it is not at this distinguished in our overview by ', and I made a choice not to. that is MY choice. No change, no foul. And I repeat if Rick wishes to make the change, I will not block it, that would be against the Rules. But I won't accept it here for my use.

Skip


Actually, if you made ANY changes to the overview, you made a change to the existing data.  The overview, while made up of many words, is a single data field.  If you make one change, you should correct the entire thing.  It would have been quite simple for you to add the two single quotes, upload the profile, and then remove them from your local db.  As I recall, from another thread, this is something you support other people doing.  But, instead of doing that one simple little thing, you decided to create a mountain out of a mole hill.  I am not surprised as it is par for the course.

I will ask the question again, since it is obvious that you did not give it the thought it deserved the first time around.  Is this really the path you want to go down?  Is this one profile really worth the headaches that I guarantee are right around the corner?  What headaches you might ask?  Well, the stance around here has always been:

Do what ever you want locally but, if you want to contribute, you must follow the rules.  Not just the rules you want to follow, but ALL the rules.

You have just poked a big hole in that stance and, I promise you, there are people out there that will crawl through it.
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Have I counted correctly? skipnet50 has resubmitted this profile 3 times before processing by Invelos? 

What's the maning of "The production of this profile was supervised by the ASPCA"?
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Not to be disrespectful but this reminds me of something I saw at a circus once.  An elephant stepped into a ring where a dog act was taking place with a bunch of chihuahuas. The chihuahuas knew the elephant was in the wrong place and they all attacked the elephant. Very noisy but what a sight.
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The overview, while made up of many words, is a single data field.  If you make one change, you should correct the entire thing.

Would you state the same for cast and crew? These are also single contribution units.
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Have I counted correctly? skipnet50 has resubmitted this profile 3 times before processing by Invelos? 

What's the maning of "The production of this profile was supervised by the ASPCA"?


No... it has been submitted 4 times now.
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If you contribute any change to the overview, you're taking the overview in its entirety as your contribution.

Would you state the same thing for cast and crew? Either check and correct everything or nothing at all?

Yes.  If I make a contribution that changes the cast or crew, I should make sure that all the data are correct, not just the things I want to change.  If I'm not willing to verify all the cast/crew data, I shouldn't be contributing partial changes.  Of course I could make some statement in the notes that "I'm changing this and that ... any other incorrect data are legacy errors in the original profile."  But if I KNOW something in a profile is incorrect or violates a rule - even if I didn't make the error - I shouldn't be making partial corrections.
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Of course I could make some statement in the notes that "I'm changing this and that ... any other incorrect data are legacy errors in the original profile."  But if I KNOW something in a profile is incorrect or violates a rule - even if I didn't make the error - I shouldn't be making partial corrections.

That's what I wanted to hear. Sometimes you do not want to get involved into a specific discussion or interpretation of the rules and leave the doubtful part as is. Even if it is not doubtful to you, it may be to others. Imagine I want to correct a cast listing but do not like to be getting involved into any Courtney/Cox/Arquette vs. Courtney//Cox Arquette discussion or into the removal of undocumented uncredited cast.
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I think in general skipnet50 is right with this statement. You can't force anybody to contribute full profiles and you can't force anybody to correct existing errors. Have I missed something?


Then what is the point of making the contribution?  If I make a change to a cast list, I try to make sure the rest of the cast list is correct.  If I miss something, and other people catch it, they vote 'no'...Skip included.  Should I have told them all to bugger off because I didn't make the error in the first place?  Of course not.  The 'adult' in me tells me to withdraw the contribution, correct the error and resubmit.  There is another option that the 'adult' in me would accept and that is to leave the contribution as is and let the screeners decide.
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The overview, while made up of many words, is a single data field.  If you make one change, you should correct the entire thing.

Would you state the same for cast and crew? These are also single contribution units.


Yes, I would.  As you should see by now, I was creating a post that addressed this while you were making this one.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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That's what I wanted to hear. Sometimes you do not want to get involved into a specific discussion or interpretation of the rules and leave the doubtful part as is. Even if it is not doubtful to you, it may be to others. Imagine I want to correct a cast listing but do not like to be getting involved into any Courtney/Cox/Arquette vs. Courtney//Cox Arquette discussion or into the removal of undocumented uncredited cast.


In cases like this, because I don't want to get into the debate, I will make the change locally purely so I can contribute it, then change it back afterwards.

I actually had to do this just the other day when I made a change to the profile for 'Congo'.  I am currently auditing 'Stargate SG-1'.  In one episode there is an actor by the name of 'Bruce Campbell'.  He is not the same actor that starred in 'The Evil Dead'.  I could not find a BY for this actor, but could find one for the 'famous' one.  To differentiate the two, I added the BY to 'Bruce Campbell' in my 'Congo' profile.

I couldn't just upload it as another actor, 'Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje' is credited in that film as 'Adewalé' and I use the 'common name/credited as' in my local.  I am not ready to enter that debate so I had to change my local to reflect the credits so as not to force that change on the main db.  Once I finished uploading, I changed it back.

This is just how I do it because I choose to contribute.  Nobody has to do it my way.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Rick:

And for anyone else.

Your initial No vote was perfectly acceptable and i clarified it. Had you chosen to vote YES and leave me the note I probably would have been much more amenable to the change. Your continued No vote as I ghave said is nothing short of an abuse of privilege to vote and an attempt to force a user to do what YOU want him to do. I will not do it now no matter what, you were dead wroing and in my view here you are only making a bad situation wose. Sorry, guy, i don';t cotton to being blaclkmailed. If you want the change then you make it and stop your abusive tactics.

I have to go now, see ya'll later.

Skip
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You are only required to correct the changes within the boxes that you check off in your contribution. If you don't want to deal with the overview, don't check the box.

I've always been instructed by Skip to vote 'no' whenever a person, for example, made a change to a writing category while leaving an error untouched in the sound category. The reasoning is that the 'bad data' in the new contribution, while just a carry forward from the existing data, still constitutes 'bad data' and must be voted down. I've received PM's from him to vote 'no' on that purpose alone. So this dustup today is just...weird. 

My 'no' vote in this case is just a 'no' vote with a required comment. Is every 'no' vote considered blackmail now? 

Ever since the Maid in Manhattan fiasco, he has wanted me to vote 'yes' with a comment rather than voting 'no'. I've done so occasionally and this generates heated PMs as well. It seems the only safe votes with him are 'yes' without a comment or neutral...oh, wait. Now I remember he says that voting neutral and allowing bad data into the database is irresponsible.     
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this is a late april fools day joke right...

right!!!

   
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If this is what voting has come too...


WHY BOTHER?
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