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They are very popular in the rest of the world.

I don't live in the United States you numbskull, I guess that puts me in the rest of the world. And I don't know a single soul who has ever used VCD for anything.

...you are such a blindered annoyance...can't you find another forum to harass with your nonsense?

Who said you did live in the US?  I don't stay confined to the US.  I've travelled and still do travel the world every chance I get.  That's why I made that statement.

I don't know where you live.  Maybe you just need to get out more.  VCDs seem to be popluar in China, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, India, Sri Lanka, the Middle East (including the U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia), U.K. and Canada to name some countries.

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I don't know where you live.  Maybe you just need to get out more.  VCDs seem to be popluar in China, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, India, Sri Lanka, the Middle East (including the U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia), U.K. and Canada to name some countries.

I'm not attempting to get into this argument, but I am fascinated by the way you throw facts around with little or no substance!

I am in the UK, and VCD has never been popular here. I should know, because I'm one of the fools that bought a Philips CDi player! As soon as it was released, rumours were abounding of what would eventually become DVD, and so Paramount were the only decent studio to risk releasing any titles. And that wasn't many. Fair bit of Manga appeared and a handful of EMI music titles. That's it.

To demonstrate the impact they had, when I sold some on Ebay (yes, people paid money for these things!), the listings were removed because FACT told Ebay that there were no original titles released on VCD; if it's VCD, it must be a pirate.    I

They are popular in Asia. You have to be careful when ordering online because most titles have a VCD equivalent. Anyway, I'll leave you lot to it now. Have fun! 

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Of course, another benefit is better sound with LPCM on Blu-ray.  There are two types of TrueHD.  One is a higher quality than the other (the truly loseless version).  Blu-ray supports the higher quality version of TrueHD.  The TrueHD version on almost all HD DVD discs is the lower quality TrueHD.  That's why you can tell the difference between that and uncompressed PCM.  That is why TrueHD did not show up on Blu-ray titles from Warner Bros.

No, it's because of "technical hurdles in authoring TrueHD-encoded titles on Blu-ray."

As for PCM being better...

  "Warner's Blu-ray edition of the movie offers an uncompressed PCM track rather than Dolby TrueHD, and internet discussion forums have been abuzz with arguments about the superiority of one over the other. In truth, once decoded properly a TrueHD track is bit-for-bit identical to PCM. That's what "lossless" means: No loss. With all other conditions being equal, it is impossible for one to sound better or worse than the other. Any claims that the PCM audio on the Blu-ray sounds better than the HD DVD's TrueHD track can be chalked up to either hardware differences in the quality of the decoders or Digital-to-Analog converters in the respective players, a volume difference in their output levels (louder is equated with "better" to most ears if the two tracks haven't been carefully volume-matched), or even more likely to simple placebo affect. If you expect there to be a difference, you're going to hear one whether it's really there or not."

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VCDs seem to be popluar in China, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, India, Sri Lanka, the Middle East (including the U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia), U.K. and Canada to name some countries.

NO ONE in Canada has ever used VCD. I live there and I have been all over the world.

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I will contribute the Nielsen VideoScan numbers for the week ending March 11...

Since Inception (SI) #:  Blu-ray:HD-DVD
                                    100:89.25

YTD:                          Blu-ray:HD-DVD
                                      100:47.37

I believe Feb. 23 it was reported that the Nielsen VideoScan numbers looked something like the following:

Since Inception (SI) #:  Blu-ray:HD-DVD
                                    100:98.71

INteresting...

I think these numbers do not include Wal-Mart and Amazon.  I wonder what the numbers will look like when Casino Royale's numbers are added.

Why are you including a bogus link?  Didn't think we'd check or what?

Come on now.  The link was just moved.

Here it is for you to look at.

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No, it's because of "technical hurdles in authoring TrueHD-encoded titles on Blu-ray."

What do you think those "technical hurdles" were?  Let me explain...

HD DVD can use one of two kinds of streams with TrueHD. One is FBA stream, which is standard for movie soundtrack purpose, up to 7.1ch, it's bitrate is up to 18.0Mbps. And it has dialogue normalization function and dynamic range control function. Another is FBB stream, which is full compatible with MLP multichannel stream of DVD-Audio format, up to 5.1ch, it's bitrate is up to 9.6Mbps, no dialogue normalization, no dynamic range control.
It seems to me that Warner uses only FBB streams their audio encode of trueHD. Or they will have surround back channel on their DD-EX titles on trueHD sound channels.

An important thing is, that Blu-ray can use only FBA stream on its format definition. I don't know why, but I think probably FBA stream is superior to FBB in every respect. And FBB stream cannot be directly transported to FBA stream. So in this Warner's case, I'm afraid unless Warner changes their trueHD encoding to FBA stream or unless someone(most likely Dolby labo.) develop stream translate tool, Warner's BR titles cannot have trueHD audio tracks.

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As for PCM being better...

  "Warner's Blu-ray edition of the movie offers an uncompressed PCM track rather than Dolby TrueHD, and internet discussion forums have been abuzz with arguments about the superiority of one over the other. In truth, once decoded properly a TrueHD track is bit-for-bit identical to PCM. That's what "lossless" means: No loss. With all other conditions being equal, it is impossible for one to sound better or worse than the other. Any claims that the PCM audio on the Blu-ray sounds better than the HD DVD's TrueHD track can be chalked up to either hardware differences in the quality of the decoders or Digital-to-Analog converters in the respective players, a volume difference in their output levels (louder is equated with "better" to most ears if the two tracks haven't been carefully volume-matched), or even more likely to simple placebo affect. If you expect there to be a difference, you're going to hear one whether it's really there or not."

That is when talking about the FBA stream of TrueHD, which has only been used on the Nine Inch Nails concert (which has amazing sound by the way), I believe.

That is why in blind comparisons like the one Peter Bracke did on the "Departed" review (highdefdigest.com), they chose the LPCM track every time.

It appears you don't go that deep into TrueHD to know about the two different types of streams.

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Just a thought on all this Sony PS3 Blu-ray sales and such.... But isn't the PS3 a game console? I just bought a new DVD player and I believe I went to the DVD section of Circuit City and not the game console section to purchase my new DVD player. I would assume and I believe the assumption is right that most people watch DVD movies on a DVD player and not a game comsole. So if the numbers were to be calculated between HD and Blu ray  wouldn't it be on stand alone players and not game consoles? I know my kids have game consoles and they never watch movies on them but on the Wide screen in the family room. But they sure log lots of hours playing games. If this  debate is to continue into the new forums it should be based upon acual DvD player sales  and not game systems. Two different things all together.

We can make this one short and sweet.

Before the PS3 was launched the sales ratio was about 3 to 1 in favor of HD DVD.  Two to four weeks after the launch, Blu-ray took the lead.  After the second month Blu-ray was outselling HD DVD at a rate of almost 3 to 1.  After that it has settled at better than 2 to 1 in favor of Blu-ray.  That is about a 5 to 1 swing in ratio.

Now, doesn't Blu-ray hardware have 5 times the amount of HD DVD (including the PS3)?  Those numbers seem to fit together pretty well.

Welcome to the world of Ascended_Saiyan JonM.  In his world he knows more than anyone.  He has better knowledge than you do because he has visited the area.  The fact that you actualy LIVE in that area means nothing.