Skip, you refer to bullies, and them acting as a group.  My question to you is simple, how many people do you think are 'bullying' you?  Is it 3? 5? 10? How many other people are they 'bullying'? 

Whatever the count, maybe you should take a step back and take a look at it from their point of view.

I've seen a handful of people come forward and counter the people 'attacking' you.  But I don't believe any will come to your defense based on your actions.  I believe you may be singled out and.or just want all the negativity to dissipate.  But I dare you to find one other member that thinks you are 100% in the right.  If one steps forward I will be utterly shocked.  I do think some have crossed the line with you, but I would also admit that you may have crossed the line first.  I do think there is a certain mob mentality surrounding you, but the proposed rules would only help you in that case, not hinder you.

I am one all for the suggested moderation, and from your posts I'm somewhat surprised you don't support it yourself.  You claim people attack you constantly, wouldn't this apply to them as well?  If ANYONE crosses the line then they should be dealt with accordingly, whether it's me, you or anyone else.  Do you not agree?

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Moderation, no this forum operated years without moderation. Some users decided to start crying for moderation and even back then it was clear that they had a particular agenda.

Totally untrue. You and others in this forum treated me like a pile of dog poo when I first came to these forums. I made some silly mistakes with my contributions and was ripped to shreds for it.
I stupidly argued my point at the time (My mistakes were exactly that - mistakes; and I see that now) and I admit, I got pulled into the "you insult me, then I'm going to retaliate in kind" mentality.

I have admitted to being very sensitive in the past and took to heart a lot of the things that were said to me and the way I was treated. You and a couple of other people here made my life hell...how? Because I let you.
I'd love to say that you a just a small man who thinks he is more important than he actually is...but that is not always the case. You have no conception of how much your words can hurt people in this forum. You may think you're being funny or just being "Skip", but in actual fact, you can genuinely hurt people by your actions here.
And, before you say it, I agree that to a certain extent these people should develop thicker skin (like I did)...but, in all seriousness, they shouldn't have to.
Everyone should be able to come into this forum and know that it will be an enjoyable experience and that they won't get picked on - including you.

I'm a firm supporter of moderation - then and now - and I have absolutely no 'agenda' as you put it; other than to prevent people going through what I went through and to stop users being driven away.

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I don't recall ever saying anything to or about you, yet you feel obliged to come after me. Wrong tone.

You often 'come after' new users in this forum for expressing their opinions or making oft-repeated feature requests; so why should any other user be able to do the same.

You and I have had our fair share of run-ins over the years (I registered in 1997 if I remember correctly) and most of the time we are able to get past these moments and move on.

However, your behaviour has not changed in over 10 years. You seem to think it's ok to treat people any way you want and defend it with a "that's just the way I am and I won't change for anyone" or a "you started it" or a "I'm only retaliating to being attacked".
It's all a load of bull.

We all make mistakes. Some of us attack other users when we know it's wrong. MOST of us apologise when this happens. I know in the past I wronged 2 users in such a way and I made damned sure I apologised; but my conscience will never let me forget that I behaved in such an abhorrent way.

You on the other hand seem to think you are always justified in your actions.

Well so am I for telling you that you make the life of many people here miserable.
And THAT opinion is based on 10 years worth of observations.

I apologise to anyone who feels that I have been unduly harsh with my comments here; but 10 years is a long time to watch the same old rubbish being trotted out as an excuse for bad behaviour.
Let the red arrows fly.

P.S. Before you suggest that I only every pull you up on your shortcomings you should remember the Prop8 discussion.
I've been where a lot of people here are - they want to defend themselves when they perceive an attack. Others jump to their defence because they know this kind of behaviour is the rule and not the exception.

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It is hard for me to take anything you say seriously, nearly every post of the last couple of weeks from you has been directed at me with much hostility and I have to say a very unhealthy level of nastiness. I have never done anything to you that I am aware, yet you come after me...no that don't fly.

You keep saying I have 'Personal Attacked' you.  I've request a few times already for you to point out the times I've done so, but you have failed to do so.  I've never been moderated for any of these so called 'attacks' so I'd really appreciate it if you'd point out those times that I've done so.  If you fail to do so then that will be proof that I've never done so.

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Moderation, no this forum operated years without moderation. Some users decided to start crying for moderation and even back then it was clear that they had a particular agenda.

I think there is a definite agenda, to have the moderation the same for everyone, for you, me & everyone else.

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My reaction to your posts is that I don't take them seriously, perhaps you have another name I would recognize, you have clearly been around awhile, but I don't recall ever saying anything to or about you, yet you feel obliged to come after me. Wrong tone.

No, I don't have another name.  You have never attacked me personally, but I have been around long enough to see you behave poorly, and just because you never responded to me directly I found enough cause to respond.  You lump me in with the other 'Spotters' which amuses me, because I had issues with some of the 'Spotters' here (and some not here :tgm: )

Again, I'm not coming after you.  If people, 'Spotters' included, 'attack' you then it shouldn't be tolerated, just like if you 'attack' people it shouldn't be tolerated either.  You've had run ins with so  many different people that have not had run ins with anyone else, so maybe your posting style is the cause of it.  I have no hostility directed at you, you may be the nicest guy in the world, but there are so many examples of you not acting so nice that turns people away.  Many of which I can't display because they have already been moderated.

I have no vendetta against you, truly I don't.  But I would also say that this thread, along with the others, are a direct result of you.  I love movies, DVDs & Blu-rays.  I love having this great piece of software that we can use to track our hobby, but your behavior has been proven to be abrasive.  That's not just not my opinion but a fact due to the number of posts that you've had moderated.

You do have a great knowledge of the program and could be of great benefit to new contributors, but instead of that you seem to have a negative cloud hanging over your head due to run-ins with multiple people.  I for one have not contributed much because of this.  If you realized that you were somewhat of the problem, and fixed it, you could be such a great resource for this community.

Taro:

All I will say is "please post which users have preferential treatment and why" absolute rubbish. That is your personal perception. Just as I have a perception of a double standard. Yes, I am highly critical of your "I am leaving because of Big Bad whoever" thread and will remain so, that was unacceptable and that alone in my book was worthy of action, banning...no that I don't approve of.

Achim I am not going to list anyone, that would be inappropriate. Sorry. You made your decisions on your own for your own reasons, reasons which I do not share nor do I comprehend, nor do i want to get into it here also inappropriate. In my book you are still a friend, it is not I that is upset with you.

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The behavior here continues to be OUTRAGEOUS beyond belief and Ken tolerating it only makes it the more so.

I disagree.  I want to personally thank Ken for leaving this thread open and allowing people to push the envelope on behavior.  We seriously need a place where people can freely vent their frustrations and speak their minds.  I'd rather see it happening in one thread than all over this place.  This is as good a place as any.

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You keep saying I have 'Personal Attacked' you.  I've request a few times already for you to point out the times I've done so, but you have failed to do so.

Isn't that obvious by now? Not following his ideas 100% is simply a personal attack.

But after 10 years I don't really see Ken changing his modus operandi so I continue to simply blocking Skip out, participating the Contribution Forum as little as possible and be contend that I now buy mostly BDs from a region he doesn't vote on.

cya, Mithi

Of course they don't 'Have' to, but when they don't it is perceived as a double standard and that where the issue lies.

I understand the reluctance to air dirty laundry.  I assume they are just trying to keep it private and I do understand that viewpoint.  But that does come at a price, I don't think Taro is the only one that thinks there is at least an appearance of a double standard and that is the issue that some people have with how it is currently handled.  From a user's perspective all we can do is state our feelings on the matter, it is up to Ken whether or not make any changes, I don't think anyone is arguing that point.  But if Taro, or any other user for that matter, wants to bang his drum about a topic in the appropriate thread then why shouldn't they?