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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: But that doesn't mean that the rest of the database is useless, if that data is applied consistently. Each time we recopy an error (spelling mistake for example), we break consistency. Though it is less frequent than with names, we see those errors too often to have a good database. The problem is clearly rules, built on a "recopy exactly" concept, though the database should be based on "use the correct form" as are all databases in the world, except Invelos' one. Spelling "mistakes" they will always occur irregardless of the program - color or colour is the perfect example. Or what about names whose spelling can not be entered correctly because the program does not accommodate those letters? There will never, ever, be a "perfect" program - not one. And, certainly not "all the databases in the world, except Invelos'". |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | It is a collection program... all collection programs I ever tried documents the collection exactly per the item you collect.... including any mistakes on it. This is not a new concept for collection databases. | | | Pete |
| Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Spelling "mistakes" they will always occur irregardless of the program .
Sure....to err is human. Spelling mistakes (including personal names of famous people) have occured on official government issued postage stamps, currency....trophies (eg. The Stanley Cup), grave markers, books, record albums, film and TV credits, historic plaques and just about everything else one cares to mention. Quoting Kathy: Quote:
color or colour is the perfect example.
Don't believe either qualifies as a spelling error. Quoting Kathy: Quote:
There will never, ever, be a "perfect" program
Actually, DVDP is, as a program, pretty close to it, in my opinion. I think surfeur51 was referring to the online database, not the program itself.. There the objective should be, it seems to me, to get as close to perfect as is humanly possible. A good database will have entries under the names people are generally knows as (eg. Stanley Kubrick and not Stanley Kubrike or Stanley Kubrik), and should cross reference any and all other variants (mistakes) they have been credited as. Quoting Kathy: Quote:
not "all the databases in the world, except Invelos'".
I'll say this for it......The Invelos database (in the case of cast/crew names) is rather unique. To my knowledge, there is none other quite like it. I doubt that there is a music database where The Beatles are entered as The Beattles. Yet, this is exactly as they were credited on a 45 released in the US in 1963. |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: ...color or colour is the perfect example.. Is the DVD American or English ? then you have the answer. I never unterstood that argument I find stupid (sorry, but just use the spelling of the concerned language : couleur is correct in French, not in English...) Quote: ... certainly not "all the databases in the world, except Invelos'". Also sorry. All databases that are real databases, meaning that we can use specific functions such sorting, filtering, linking, giving statistics, are based on the concept "one object= one and only one identifier". If you have an object with two or three different identifiers, how can you sort it, or obtain correct statistics about it ?. Invelos rules, based on "exactly as credited or exactly as on cover", are a total nonsense for a database. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: It is a collection program... all collection programs I ever tried documents the collection exactly per the item you collect.... That is your point of view, not Invelos' one, at least about what they say about their product : Peruse your collection with easeExtensive, powerful search and filter functions let you find what you're looking for fast.Or, browse your collection by actor or director through a filmography customized to your collectionDVD Profiler's complete and customizable reporting engine let's you take your collection from the computer to the coffee table in style. Check the downloads section for a huge repository of user-created reports." powerful search and filter functions" cannot work if objects are not identified in a unique form. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote: I think surfeur51 was referring to the online database, not the program itself.. Of course, you are right. The program is great, the database is a mess. Exactly as, in your kitchen, you have the best fridge of the market, and use it to keep "shiitake mushroom" (edited by the forum). Your meals will have an unsavory taste... | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Kathy:
Quote: ...color or colour is the perfect example.. couleur is correct in French, not in English...)
My point is to illustrate one example in which there are more than one correct answer. In these, and other cases, what should be entered into the online database? And who should make that final decision? |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: My point is to illustrate one example in which there are more than one correct answer. In these, and other cases, what should be entered into the online database? And who should make that final decision? No, there is not more than one answer: there is only one : if the profile is from US there is one answer, if it is from UK, there is another answer. For those color/colour, there are two different languages, American English, and European English, just use the one which matches with profile location. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: It is a collection program... all collection programs I ever tried documents the collection exactly per the item you collect.... including any mistakes on it. This is not a new concept for collection databases. No. Collectibles are named and sorted as they should be. The individual deviations are pointed out. The same would every correctly layed out data base for DVDs do. E.g. It would list the vinyl mentioned above in one list with all other dics of the The Beatles and point out, that the name on the label is spelled The Beattles because 1963 Mr. Nishikori was ill after a sleigh turn in the Rocky Mountains and snotted on the layout. | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | I think that the "Beattles" example is a strawman argument since this database handles credited names by using credited as.
It's another thing if the misspelling occured in the overview. Should it be corrected? That's debatable. Some mistakes can be very important to a collector. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Should it be corrected? That's debatable. Some mistakes can be very important to a collector. Ok. This "collector" has the scan of the cover reproducing the mistake, and he can add a tag "Mistake in the overview" to find all the profiles with errors. No need to ruin the database. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: Should it be corrected? That's debatable. Some mistakes can be very important to a collector. Ok. This "collector" has the scan of the cover reproducing the mistake, and he can add a tag "Mistake in the overview" to find all the profiles with errors. No need to ruin the database. Here is an example - The cover photo/overview is for a film released in 1998 called The Killing Grounds. But the actual film content is of the 2007 film Children of Wax aka The Killing Grounds. Double Feature: The Killing Grounds / Diary of a Serial Killer Region 1 Released: 5/10/2011 Widescreen |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Ok. This "collector" has the scan of the cover reproducing the mistake, and he can add a tag "Mistake in the overview" to find all the profiles with errors. No need to ruin the database. I think you'll find that there are different views on what ruins a database, incorrectly spelled information or incorrectly transcribed information. You have made your opinion very clear. That doesn't necessarily mean that you are right (or that you are wrong). But you need to accept that it is in fact an opinion. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | Speaking of collectibles..... ...numismatic piece where they even got the country name (CHILE) wrong (the mistake cost the mint master his job) (database: file under: Chiie) |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: I think you'll find that there are different views on what ruins a database... What ruins a database is everything that forbid its functions to work correctly : sorting, filtering, linking, building stats... if the database can't do that, it's just not a database... | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: I think you'll find that there are different views on what ruins a database... What ruins a database is everything that forbid its functions to work correctly : sorting, filtering, linking, building stats... if the database can't do that, it's just not a database... And keeping spelling errors in the overview does that? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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