Are you saying to put the year in the original title field? If so I am against putting non-title stuff in the original title field. But I am thinking you don't mean to put the year in the field as I don't see any reason it would be helpful.
Putting the Season in the original title field is non-title stuff. That's how it's done now. The original broadcast title is The Big Bang Theory for every season it's been on TV. The years are for the produced field, using the first episode produced for that season as the standard for all episodes in that season.

As for the rest the subject at hand...

I am still totally against using the DVD release packaging as the original title...since I still strongly feel the original release is being released on TV.

I am against putting something like...

Title: The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season
Original Title: The Big Bang Theory

From the previous statements - you don't want in original title field standardized season indicators, produced years, dvd release packaging title and TV broadcast titles. Doesn't leave anything to put in the field.

as that breaks things for those that use Original Title for their title in the list. As all seasons will show up as just "The Big Bang Theory." Which is the original title.

Then you are already not using the original title field for the original title.

As for standardizing the season indicators in the original title field like...

The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season (The Big Bang Theory: Season 1)
The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season: Disc 1 (The Big Bang Theory: Season 1)
The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season: Disc 2 (The Big Bang Theory: Season 1)
The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season: Disc 3 (The Big Bang Theory: Season 1)

this would keep all Season 1 profiles together, even when discs in a Blu-ray set have more episodes on a disc then a standard DVD disc. It searches by the package release title and the original US title, but seperates between the seasons, as of now in the database this is 4 different titles for 1 TV box set. Add in Blu-ray and other countries' releases, and before you know it for 1 TV Box set which should be 1 title, you have 50 titles for the same TV show for 1 season.

While I am not thrilled with standardizing things... never have been. If we can work it all out and get Ken to agree to it (a must)...it seems to be the lesser of the problems. BUT we still need the disc numbers in the original title field or it still breaks things for those using original title for their title listing. As they would have 4 listings for the same exact title. Which we do have to take into consideration. We can not break a function that works now to fix a different function.
There is no function now

I am not sure why Sort title has been mentioned in this thread since sort title is a local only field. It is not one that can be updated.
you could use sort title for how you want it to conform to your search actions by putting what you now put in the original title field into the sort field.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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But that does not fix the breaking of a function that works now. You can not break 1 function to fix another function. Not everyone uses the title for their DVD list (and sort title does not help this either)... some people use the original title as their list title... as is possible in the options. If you use the same original title for every disc in the set then it is completely broken for those that use original titles in the title field. This is why this idea failed years ago when the same suggestion was made. Each disc in the set must have it's own name set in the original title field for those that choose to use original titles for their main list in the program.

But it is already broken. You are not using the fields properly then. The disc title is not the original title. Denying everyone else of a proper database so you can search and link the way you want it to is selfish. You want everyone else to conform to the way your database is set up for searches.  The original title for every season, every disc, in every region should be The Big Bang Theory. When it airs on TV, I have never seen a season 1-10 in the title. and the produced year should be 2007 for every disc of that season..
This would be a logical way of keeping seasons separate but linking all profiles to 1 common title per season. Or use the fields properly and have 10 seasons link as 1. But the way it is now is ridiculous. I'm tired of waiting for a fix that is most likely never going to appear. People who drag their feet, usually end up at the back of the line.

Quoting ateo357:

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After going over the rules again. I have realized that there is no need for a rules change.

The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the Front Cover; for example The Andy Griffith Show.  Season indicators, if listed on the cover, should be entered as part of the title, not the edition.

Use the year that the Series/Season was produced and first aired in its country of origin. TV series are typically spread over a date range for a season, for example 2002-2003, for DVD Profiler purposes this will be entered as the beginning of the season; from the example the entry would be 2002.

there is no mention of original title in TV Series section.
so back to the beginning of the rules.
Original Title
The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title.


Title
The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season

Produced year
2007-2008 so it would be 2007.

Original Title
The Big Bang Theory
and this also includes child profiles - only thing that would change is Title. The Big Bang Theory: The Complete First Season: Disc 1
the produced year is the variable to distinguish between seasons. Giving a Separate title count in the database/CLT.

I apologize, I've been following everyone else's way of doing a TV series, not realizing that everyone's been doing it wrong. I always thought it was a contribution rule problem when it's been a contributor problem.

I agree with this and have never been a believer that using Original Titles for TV Series is covered in the rules.

Quoting ateo357:

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The original title for every season, every disc, in every region should be The Big Bang Theory. When it airs on TV, I have never seen a season 1-10 in the title.

From my point of view we are using DVDProfiler and we are tracking DVDs not the airing of anything. Therefore I'd say the original title for a foreign language release of a TV series is the title of the DVD sold in the original language.

Quoting AiAustria:

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Quoting ateo357:

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The original title for every season, every disc, in every region should be The Big Bang Theory. When it airs on TV, I have never seen a season 1-10 in the title.

From my point of view we are using DVDProfiler and we are tracking DVDs not the airing of anything. Therefore I'd say the original title for a foreign language release of a TV series is the title of the DVD sold in the original language.

but the original title is of the content not the package.
original release is on Television not Blu-ray or DVD.

Quoting AiAustria:

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I am aware that the sort title is not updated when profiles are refreshed. But how does the initial sort title come to the database? I assumed that this is generated with the initial profile contribution; but this could be simply wishfull thinking...

Per Ken in a post in the Beta forum:

Sort titles are always personal - they're not included via the Contribute feature.  They'll be set by default to the title, unless the title starts with an article such as The, A, etc.

#1. It is not the way I want it... I do not use original title for my list so it does not effect me at all

#2. I did not get this from the rules... but from a post from Invelos (Ken's wife) in the past... talking about how to use the original title for TV series

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See a whole series of posts from Gerri Cole... this was before disc level profiles...but it shows where the line of thinking goes... including not standardizing season indicators.

http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=367653&messageID=971249

"Since there is no listing under the TV Series for Original Title in the rules, it make sense to me that you would follow the rules for the title field. This would be to include the season indicator in the orginal title.

I will add this clarification to the list so that it gets updated with the next rule update.

If people disagree with this, I am open to a civil discussion as to why it is not useful to have the season indicator in this field".


her quote from a thread 6 1/2 years ago. A page and a half of further discussion after it debating the idea and her rule update never happened. Never made it to a rules update as stated. Maybe the extra discussion changed her mind. Or Ken did.

So I'll be using the existing rules.