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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What people need to understand is that it is NOT an all or none answer. Sometimes we will have the name of the box set being a collective name such as Alien Quadrilogy or 12 Creature Features and other times it will list the names of the films such as the releases Hal used as examples.
You just have to be able to distinguish what text on the front cover is the title and what text on the front cover is not. While you can't "take" the title from the spine... it can be helpful for you to figure out what text on the front is the actual title of the release. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
What people need to understand is that it is NOT an all or none answer. Sometimes we will have the name of the box set being a collective name such as Alien Quadrilogy or 12 Creature Features and other times it will list the names of the films such as the releases Hal used as examples.
You just have to be able to distinguish what text on the front cover is the title and what text on the front cover is not. While you can't "take" the title from the spine... it can be helpful for you to figure out what text on the front is the actual title of the release. This release has a subject matter that joins these 2 films together. So my opinion would be Zombie: Double Feature all in the title field. It is no different then Zombie: Triple Feature or Zombies!: 4 Movie Collection. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
This release has a subject matter that joins these 2 films together. So my opinion would be Zombie: Double Feature all in the title field. It is no different then Zombie: Triple Feature or Zombies!: 4 Movie Collection. I agree with this, plus the individual titles are on each child in the set whether it's 2 movies or 50. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
In this case "Alien" is included in the name of the boxset BECAUSE Alien was the name of the first film and it is included in the title of every sequel, and collectively these are known as the "Alien" movies.
Therefore this quote from the rules is not applicable to this particular example. Really? What about 'Riddick: The Complete Collection'? That is the title because the name of the main character is Riddick and has nothing to do with the title of the first film in the series. Or how about 'Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase One - Avengers Assembled'? That set contains 6 movies, only one of the 6 shares part of that title. That quote tells us that we are to use the title of the set, not the title of the individual films and only uses 'Alien Quadrilogy' as an example. Of course it is applicable. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
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This release has a subject matter that joins these 2 films together. So my opinion would be Zombie: Double Feature all in the title field. It is no different then Zombie: Triple Feature or Zombies!: 4 Movie Collection.
I agree with this, plus the individual titles are on each child in the set whether it's 2 movies or 50. This, 100% this. Since the individual titles WILL be captured in the child profiles, I am not sure why this is such a big deal. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian:
This, 100% this. Since the individual titles WILL be captured in the child profiles, I am not sure why this is such a big deal.
It's because of the Butterfly Effect. One seemingly small thing could effect the whole process. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Because some of us wholeheartedly believe it is not the title of set. And Martian... you yourself said when you can't be 100% sure what text on the front cover is the title it is right to look elsewhere on the release. The spine nor anywhere else on the release says anything about Zombie Double Feature.
So how come it is right to double check the title in other cases but not right in this case? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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This release has a subject matter that joins these 2 films together. So my opinion would be Zombie: Double Feature all in the title field. It is no different then Zombie: Triple Feature or Zombies!: 4 Movie Collection.
I agree with this, plus the individual titles are on each child in the set whether it's 2 movies or 50.
This, 100% this. Since the individual titles WILL be captured in the child profiles, I am not sure why this is such a big deal. I'm not talking about searching for it in my own collection. I'm talking about the online database. No way would I search for this title as Zombie: Double Feature if I were trying to add it to my collection by title. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
You posted earlier as if there wasn't a release with 50 titles on the cover. I showed you there are cover with multiple titles.
So now you are saying that you want to do it your way as long as all the titles fit in the title field. And if they don't then do it the correct way. Pick and choose is not in the contribution rules. And you posted earlier indicating that if we put both titles in the Title field instead of the "supposed" boxset title, that it would be the only one in the database like that. I've posted numerous examples proving that is incorrect. We already have releases in the database using both methods depending on what is actually on the cover and based on people's interpretation of that information as to what constitutes the title. The bottom line is that your interpretation is no more right than Pete's. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | And all of these should be in the database under the exact same title: Midnite Movies Double FeatureBeach Blanket Bingo / How To Stuff A Wild Bikini Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004 Anamorphic 2.35 Beach Party / Bikini Beach Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004 Anamorphic 2.35 The Fall of the House of Usher / The Pit and the Pendulum Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004 2.35 The Land That Time Forgot / The People That Time Forgot Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004 Muscle Beach Party / Ski Party Region 1 Released: 4/15/2003 | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
And all of these should be in the database under the exact same title: Midnite Movies Double Feature
Beach Blanket Bingo / How To Stuff A Wild Bikini Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004 Anamorphic 2.35
Beach Party / Bikini Beach Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004 Anamorphic 2.35
The Fall of the House of Usher / The Pit and the Pendulum Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004 2.35
The Land That Time Forgot / The People That Time Forgot Region 1 Released: 8/24/2004
Muscle Beach Party / Ski Party Region 1 Released: 4/15/2003 it contains a possesive that should be included. and to your previous statement - this is the first time I can remember this questioned asked, so this is where the precident is set for me. I wasn't around when the program was called something else, I don't have those bad habits of no rules, contribute what you like, copy from other databases. Whatever Pete wants to contribute fine, go ahead, it's not my database. I gave my opinion, examples to support my opinion. It's just tiresome to watch people make a decision where the think it only effects 1 thing (say double feature box sets) when it really effects all box-sets. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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I can see all sides within the rules. I would just change it locally and lock it personally. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I'm not talking about searching for it in my own collection. I'm talking about the online database. No way would I search for this title as Zombie: Double Feature if I were trying to add it to my collection by title. I am talking about the online database as well. Assuming this was profiled properly, if you search for 'Dead Season', you will get the child profile for that film and, because it is in a single case, you will get the cover scans for this set with the actual UPC shown so, again, I don't see what the big deal is here. That being said, there is really no way you would search for this title as 'Zombie Double Feature'? While I rarely search by title, if I were to search for ''Dead Season', 'State of Emergency' or 'Dead Season / State of Emergency' with no results, my next search would be for 'Zombie Double Feature'. I honestly can't think of a reason why anyone wouldn't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Because some of us wholeheartedly believe it is not the title of set. And others wholeheartedly believe it is. So where does that leave us? Quote:
And Martian... you yourself said when you can't be 100% sure what text on the front cover is the title it is right to look elsewhere on the release. The spine nor anywhere else on the release says anything about Zombie Double Feature.
So how come it is right to double check the title in other cases but not right in this case? I don't believe I ever said it was 'right', only that it can be helpful. If, however, that is the way you want to go, then you have to go with what is on the spine. If I read your post correctly, that would give you 'Dead Season Double Feature State of Emergency' and that doesn't seem any better. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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I'm not talking about searching for it in my own collection. I'm talking about the online database. No way would I search for this title as Zombie: Double Feature if I were trying to add it to my collection by title.
I am talking about the online database as well. Assuming this was profiled properly, if you search for 'Dead Season', you will get the child profile for that film and, because it is in a single case, you will get the cover scans for this set with the actual UPC shown so, again, I don't see what the big deal is here.
That being said, there is really no way you would search for this title as 'Zombie Double Feature'? While I rarely search by title, if I were to search for ''Dead Season', 'State of Emergency' or 'Dead Season / State of Emergency' with no results, my next search would be for 'Zombie Double Feature'. I honestly can't think of a reason why anyone wouldn't. So, would you rename all five of the Midnite Movies Double Features that I posted earlier. How would that be useful in any way to have those five releases listed in the database with the same title? | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Because some of us wholeheartedly believe it is not the title of set.
And others wholeheartedly believe it is. So where does that leave us?
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And Martian... you yourself said when you can't be 100% sure what text on the front cover is the title it is right to look elsewhere on the release. The spine nor anywhere else on the release says anything about Zombie Double Feature.
So how come it is right to double check the title in other cases but not right in this case?
I don't believe I ever said it was 'right', only that it can be helpful. If, however, that is the way you want to go, then you have to go with what is on the spine. If I read your post correctly, that would give you 'Dead Season Double Feature State of Emergency' and that doesn't seem any better. OK... so I used the word right instead of helpful. Either way why would it be helpful in other cases but not this case? Seems like to me because it doesn't give the desired result that "Zombie Double Feature" is not on the spine so it just is of no help to us this time. Or just maybe it is not on the spine because it is not the name of the release. | | | | Pete |
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