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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
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You are assuming that they are listing an intern. Unless you have first hand knowledge by working beside them on the film, you don't know.
This is the same as Special Effects with a list of names following, especially when there is a SFX Coordinator, SFX Foreman and then a list of Special Effects, I know they are the rank and file workers for special effects but they still get contributed.
In fact I am not assuming anything.
It is your point that individual credits are irrelevant if the header is "VFX by Company Name".
So if they are irrelevant the only logical conclusion is that interns are allowed for DVDProfiler too (provided they are credited below this header)and so are IT-Techs and what else you may find credited.
Strangely though, you seem to refuse my main question:
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What do you think may be the reason that the VFX section alone has specifically mentioned ""Individual Credits"?
Is it by any chance possible that it is implemented to prevent mass-entering of unspecified crew? I agree with Lewis here The real issue here is if you interpret that the data from the company header propagates to the crew roles within the group. Personally I don't think it should, whether it be "Additional" or "Visual Effects By". I can see both sides. If you interpret that the attributes of the company header propagates to the crew roles within it is easy to interpret "Visual Effects By ABC", and a list of names with no roles is the equivalent to a standard credit grouping. If you interpret that the attributes of the company header do not propagate to the crew within it is easy to interpret "Visual Effects By ABC", and a list of names with no roles and names with no roles do not get credit. So the real question is if attributes of the company header propagates to the crew within as attributes of the roles. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | But we use the context of a header in the film credits to determine if the crew is valid in cases of Mexico Unit, Second Unit.. etc. so why wouldn't we use the context of VFX by Double Negative in this case. and in the case of Additional VFX by _____, should not be valid. We either use the context of the group headers or we don't, and if we don't then any valid crew credit that is in the crew chart should be valid, no matter what the header states. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was just simply pointing the focus of the issue which is if attributes of the company header propagates to the crew within as attributes of the roles.
If you recall there was a thread on "Additional Makeup" or something (I don't have time to search for it now), but if I recall there was no clear consensus. But this topic was discussed there in detail as well |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
I was just simply pointing the focus of the issue which is if attributes of the company header propagates to the crew within as attributes of the roles.
If you recall there was a thread on "Additional Makeup" or something (I don't have time to search for it now), but if I recall there was no clear consensus. But this topic was discussed there in detail as well And if the header didn't have a company name in it there would be no problem. It would be the same as Special Effects group headers, if there is no complete discription of job, they are included but if there is a job title such as Special Effects Rigger, it's not allowed. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | ... just to get the important post to the end of the thread... Quoting baham: Quote:
Michael Ellis 63/451
Mike Ellis 11/91
Michael Bruce Ellis 3/3
imdb Visual Effects 1
Michael Ellis 3 confirmed, 0 unconfirmed (CLT) 63/451
Cloverfield (confirmed by baham)
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (confirmed by mreeder50)
World Trade Center (confirmed by ateo357)
Mike Ellis 2 confirmed, 0 unconfirmed (CLT) 11/91
The Bourne Legacy (confirmed by ateo357)
The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas (confirmed by baham)
Michael Bruce Ellis 0 confirmed, 0 unconfirmed (CLT) 3/3
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Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (no specific role)
Kingdom of Heaven (2D Supervisor)
imdb Visual Effects 2
Mike Ellis 2 confirmed, 0 unconfirmed (CLT) 11/91
Bride of Chucky (confirmed by ateo357)
Existenz (confirmed by baham)
Mike 'Fuzzy' Ellis 0 confirmed, 0 unconfirmed (CLT) (CLT) 1/1
imdb Producer
Mike Ellis 0 confirmed, 2 unconfirmed (CLT) 11/91
All the Invisible Children
The Perfect Age Of Rock 'n' Roll
imdb Editor
Mike Ellis 0 confirmed, 0 unconfirmed (CLT) 11/91
Michael Ellis 15 confirmed, 15 unconfirmed (CLT) 63/451
5 Children & It
My Ain Folk
Being Human
Blame It on the Bellboy
Blue Juice (confirmed by samuelrichardscott)
The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas (confirmed by baham)
Brassed Off (confirmed by JOHNNYV)
Breaking In (confirmed by samuelrichardscott)
The Bride
Britannia Hospital (confirmed by samuelrichardscott)
Cross of Iron (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
The Godsend
Hope Springs
Hotel Splendide (confirmed by JOHNNYV)
Impromptu (confirmed by JOHNNYV)
The Jewel of the Nile (confirmed by mreeder50)
The Last Days of Pompeii (confirmed by JOHNNYV)
The Last Drop (confirmed by ateo357)
Little Voice (confirmed by samuelrichardscott)
The Lords of Discipline (confirmed by mreeder50)
Madness: Take It or Leave It
The Man Who Fell To Earth
Me Without You
La mort en direct
The Odyssey
Professione: reporter
Purely Belter
Samson and Delilah
Superman (confirmed by Discostu)
Suzie Gold (confirmed by JOHNNYV)
imdb Writer (alias for Jim Cirile) BY : 1964
Jim Cirile 0 confirmed, 2 unconfirmed (CLT) 2/3
Hawk's Vengeance
Rock 'n' Roll Nightmare (as actor)
James M. Cirile 0 confirmed, 1 unconfirmed (CLT) 5/5
Prime Evil (as actor)
Michael Ellis 0 confirmed, 2 unconfirmed (CLT) 63/451
Bounty Hunters
Bounty Hunters 2: Hardball
imdb Producer/Writer
Michael Ellis 1 confirmed, 1 unconfirmed (CLT) 63/451
An Invisible Sign
The Wedding Planner (confirmed by mreeder50)
imdb Actor 1
Mike Ellis 0 confirmed, 1 unconfirmed (CLT) 11/91
Hard
imdb Actor 2
Mike Ellis 0 confirmed, 1 unconfirmed (CLT) 11/91
The Parable of the Christ
imdb Actor 3
Michael Ellis 0 confirmed, 1 unconfirmed (CLT) 63/451
A Burning Passion: The Margaret Mitchell Story | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,373 |
| | Posted: | | | | Michael Ellis as Editor for The Odyssey |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,212 |
| | Posted: | | | | Michael Ellis as Editor for Purely Belter
Visual checked internet here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnDY5vWuTxw |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Writer (alias for Jim Cirile) BY : 1964 Bounty Hunters 2 - Hardball (1997)@0:02:05 screenplay by MICHAEL ELLIS | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Writer (alias for Jim Cirile) BY : 1964 Prime Evil@1:21:57 JAMES M. CIRILE Norman | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Writer (alias for Jim Cirile) BY : 1964 Bounty Hunters (1996)@0:02:45 screenplay by ... & MICHAEL ELLIS | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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