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Registered: March 31, 2007 | Posts: 662 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, as far as I can see, the answer given in this thread is: Keep it as it is and use the correct titles - which has parts in both languages - and do not use the rules-forced wrong ones. There are some other opinions, but none of them are from Germany. So hopefully nothing changes. | | | | | | Last edited: by StaNDarD |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting emmeli: Quote: "... but the rule says what it says."
and does not understand that there are other countries with other practice.
for everyone who knows the movie "Wargames - Kriegsspiele", it is clear that the movie has the title "Wargames - Kriegsspiele" and not "Kriegsspiele" because he came to the cinema as "Wargames - Kriegsspiele", you buy the movie as "Wargames - Kriegsspiele" and so on. only the rules from Invelos forces us to slightly different. sorry but this is not acceptable.
also wikipedia list him so. If it is not acceptable, get Ken to change the rule. Until he does, anything other than "Kriegsspiele" is against the rules. As I said, I honestly don't care how you enter it, but let's not pretend that it isn't breaking the rule as it is written. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting StaNDarD: Quote: Well, as far as I can see, the answer given in this thread is: Keep it as it is and use the correct titles - which has parts in both languages - and do not use the rules-forced wrong ones.
There are some other opinions, but none of them are from Germany. So hopefully nothing changes. As I said the last time someone made a similar statement, I have no problem with it as long as you adhere to the same sentiment when it comes to profiles for regions other than Germany. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 31, 2007 | Posts: 662 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: As I said the last time someone made a similar statement, I have no problem with it as long as you adhere to the same sentiment when it comes to profiles for regions other than Germany. Of course I respect it when other regions do it their way. I don't understand why people will have to protest against these things when they will hardly ever be affected. And if you are indeed having a few german titles, you will still be able to change it locally to your wishes. Punishing all german folks just to please a few others is at least questionable... | | | |
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Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And this is coming from one of the many members that helped write the rules. ...that does explains a lot... |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | There is a big problem with applying this rule literally. Let me give you an example:
In Sweden, movies nowadays often have English titles, either the original title or even a made up English title. So it's quite possible for a Scandinavian release to have titles in Norwegian, Danish and English. So “use the title that matches the language of the locality” would mean that I should use the title that is in the Swedish language. But there is no such title. Consequently it cannot be profiled.
It's patently obvious that this can not be what Ken intended. What he must have meant is “If there are titles for multiple localities, use the title that is appropriate for the locality in question”. Well, I'm sure it could be worded better, but I think you get the idea.
It's unfortunate that the rule is worded in a way that makes it unusable. Does that really mean that we should attempt to use it anyway, or should we try to follow the actual intent of the rule? Well, my opinion is clear. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I personally have no opinion this particular circumstance... but I keep seeing "intent" being mentioned. The problem with intent is the only person that knows for sure what his intent was is Ken himself. Don't even matter what the intent of the writer of this particular rule was. Only what Ken intended when he read, approved and published this rule. All you are doing is guessing what the intent was. Something I would never do. That is why I go strictly by what the rules say (no matter the consequences) until such time Ken himself tells me differently... clarifying the rule... giving us his actual intent. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't know want all the flack is about the titles, I've seen every field in a profile screwed up.
If the title bugs you submit a correction.
There are some fields you can not get right unless you have the proper viewing program.
Me fix 'em, hell no, I didn't sire the SOBs, and I damn sure ain't their mama. Life to short and I've got better things to do. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: In Sweden, movies nowadays often have English titles, either the original title or even a made up English title. So it's quite possible for a Scandinavian release to have titles in Norwegian, Danish and English. So “use the title that matches the language of the locality” would mean that I should use the title that is in the Swedish language. But there is no such title. Consequently it cannot be profiled. In that example, if the English title matches the original title, use that for the Title field. If the English title is NOT the original title, you're kinda stuck if you want to take the rules as literally as some more vocal users do. I guess in your place I would take the English title and use the Original Title field for the original title, in whatever language that might be (except when it's a Norwegian or Danish film - in that case use the Norwegian or Danish title in the Title field). BTW, the rules do not call for the Title field to contain a title in the locality's language under any circumstance. E.g. in the Netherlands and Belgium it is pretty rare to have titles in Dutch for English-language movies - usually you only see that for children's stuff. So other than that, we simply put the English title (from the front cover) in the Title field. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Well, I'm all for rules, but if I come to a traffic light that's stuck on red, I don't wait there until someone comes and fixes it. I'm different, sometimes I wait on a green light. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Well, I'm all for rules, but if I come to a traffic light that's stuck on red, I don't wait there until someone comes and fixes it. You presume that you know how long the red light is supposed to last, and so place your convenience above the rules. --------------- |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: Well, I'm all for rules, but if I come to a traffic light that's stuck on red, I don't wait there until someone comes and fixes it. You presume that you know how long the red light is supposed to last, and so place your convenience above the rules. I bet you would, too, eventually. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: I bet you would, too, eventually. I've more or less stopped contributing, which is what everyone should do who cannot be bothered to follow the rules. --------------- |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: I bet you would, too, eventually. I've more or less stopped contributing, which is what everyone should do who cannot be bothered to follow the rules.
--------------- If someone doesn't understand or feels they can't follow the rules then they shouldn't contribute. Personally I don't believe most people have that problem. I believe people who contribute do follow the rules and do so to the best of their ability. At times there are issues that might not be as clear cut as others - the voting process is one way to clarify the matter. I know one thing that doesn't help clarify issues or help the community - refusing to contribute. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting scotthm:
Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: I bet you would, too, eventually. I've more or less stopped contributing, which is what everyone should do who cannot be bothered to follow the rules.
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If someone doesn't understand or feels that can't follow the rules then they shouldn't contribute. Personally I don't believe most people have that problem.
I believe people who contribute do follow the rules and do so to the best of their ability.
At times there are issues that might not be as clear cut as others - the voting process is one way to clarify the matter.
I know one thing that doesn't help clarify issues or help the community - refusing to contribute. just like a normal community - those who don't contribute just leech off the hard working, wanting everything for nothing and always have a loud voice when it doesn't go the way they want it. |
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