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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | I think this is exactly why so few contribute now.
For years these crew have been contributed and approved. Then, all of a sudden, it's deemed to be against the rules and removed.
Recently, location crew was contributed and approved. Now being removed too from profiles.
Invelos and this community can't make up it's mind what they want. One day it's good data and the next it's not. Even the screeners can't seem to make up their minds.
I wonder what a user of this program thinks when they have have a profile and the cast/crew keeps getting changed or having people added then removed later on in another update. They probably see chaos and us experts (contributors and Invelos) as being anything but that.
Sadly I don't think it'll be the death of physical media that kills off DVDProfiler, but it'll be us. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: I think 1 perfectly defines the topic of this thread. These editions are distinguishable to the eye or mind as discrete in that new effects or added scenes make them distinguishable from the theatrical editions. You just illustrated, though inadvertently, how your assertion falls flat. As you noted, these are different editions of the same film, not distinct films. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Good then, I'll start removing these credits asap. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote: I think 1 perfectly defines the topic of this thread. These editions are distinguishable to the eye or mind as discrete in that new effects or added scenes make them distinguishable from the theatrical editions. You just illustrated, though inadvertently, how your assertion falls flat. As you noted, these are different editions of the same film, not distinct films. And different is part of the definition per Merriam-Webster in regards to being an adjective. Quote: different in a way that you can see, hear, smell, feel, etc. : noticeably different Being that these editions are "different" from the theatrical editions they are also distinct. Quote: Related to DISTINCT
Synonyms disparate, dissimilar, distant, different, distinctive, distinguishable, diverse, nonidentical, other, unalike, unlike To me that meets the definition of being distinct. But you guys do whatever. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules don't deal with this situation so it's pointless to quote the rules or trying to work out some hidden meaning from things that don't apply here at all. Until the rules are updated (and no, a forum "ruling" is not good enough, the rules need to be UPDATED!) I use the following approach: I don't contribute this information. If I find it, I don't remove this information. I just leave things as I find them. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote: I use the following approach: I don't contribute this information. If I find it, I don't remove this information. I just leave things as I find them. In other words: it's a mess, and it stays a mess. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting iPatsa:
Quote: I use the following approach: I don't contribute this information. If I find it, I don't remove this information. I just leave things as I find them. In other words: it's a mess, and it stays a mess. I don't consider it a mess, just an area where I don't contribute or make changes. It could be fixed by Invelos if they wanted. It can't be fixed by us. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote: It could be fixed by Invelos if they wanted. It can't be fixed by us. And if such fixes aren't regularly forthcoming, then I still find this a sad state of affairs... |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | As I have pointed out in several threads dealing with these types of issues - Ken has weighed in on the matter. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis. Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.
Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent. With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision. Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for. Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary.
We'll be implementing a global edit for contribution evaluator use. This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly. In this particular case, the titles will be Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black III. Details on the forthcoming implementation will be posted before we begin making any profile changes. I will contribute data as I always have. I will follow the rules and will standardize the profiles to the best of my ability. If the issue is debatable, I note that in my documentation and add links to those discussion. I lock my local database and leave it to the voters and screeners to decide. I don't go back and change approved profiles if I don't happen to agree with them. But, I will enter new profiles using the protocol I have outlined in many of my postings. I would suggest that the community contribute other types of data - there is plenty of mistakes in the database that needs fixing. Over the last few months I have contributed thousands of changes and they had nothing to do with Location Crew or other gray area topics. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting iPatsa:
Quote: It could be fixed by Invelos if they wanted. It can't be fixed by us. And if such fixes aren't regularly forthcoming, then I still find this a sad state of affairs... Oh I don't know, I think we've managed quite fine so far. How many profiles are we talking about? In any case it's not someting enough to make me sad and to wish things would be different is not productive, I just deal with it as best as I can and trust others to do the same. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote: How many profiles are we talking about? Restoration crew? Just a handful, I guess. But if we're talking about location crew: pretty much all of them... |
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