Meat Load Aday is the most credited in CLT right now. But he's also credited as Marvin Lee Aday | Marvin Aday | Michael Lee Aday | Michael Meat Loaf Aday | Michael Aday | Meat Loaf & Meatloaf  some are in the CLT but from prior experience maybe 50% are incorrectly credited to the wrong variation.

Addicted2DVD: OK, so this is me trying to help.

I've changed my local database base names per CLT to reflect most titles that shows "Meat Loaf" a clear winner with 117.

Now when I click on "Cast Information", I see all seven title entries for this actor at once.

In an example of me helping others, I have the following profile that I'd like to consider updating.

Beautiful Boy
013132-301297
Blu-ray
539019BA469FBCD2

Meat Loaf Aday as Motel Clerk (would become)
Meat Loaf [Meat Loaf Aday] as Motel Clerk

as if it mattered, IMDB has
Meat Loaf ... Motel Clerk (as Meat Loaf Aday)

The most recent database contributors notes are as follows:

"Cast and Crew copied from the same film in the invelos database UPC 013132-284897. Documentation notes this data came from the DVD credits."

Would I be helping the world by attempting this update?

As an aside, I have not opened my copy of this movie to see what the credits actually say.

What could the credits actually say that would make this an unhelpful update attempt?

Thanks.

I think your solution is correct, so it would help 'our world' in having a correct profile.

The Invelos/DVDprofiler rules on cast are based in this regard on the CLT results, in other words what is already uploaded in the online database. You can find many threads in this forum trying to resolve similar disambigueties.

It is not the same as the IMDB process. Experience ever since the start of DVDprofiler has shown that it way more in error than you'd think. Having a fast lookup and a catchy screen layout are not a garantee for accuracy! Also because of copyright issues (fines for Invelos!) it is seriously discouraged to base cast and crew on IMDB (this is the 'no third party source' rule).

On "What could the credits actually say that would make this an unhelpful update attempt?": The credits are a list of role names and actor names. Nothing more, nothing less. It may have typing errors ("Ton Cruise"), punctuation errors (hyphen or no hyphen in a double last or first name), omissions, etc. etc.
The CLT helps us finding the 'real' common name, together with knowledge of the world of actors. The 'credited as' feature helps us document typo's, aliases etc. whilst maintaining the unique ID of {f/m/l name, birth year}. The 'uncredited' helps us document omissions.
In other words, the credits have a limited say. It is 'us' that define the final cast and crew list, and as we're all human (I think  ) some contributions are better than others. The larger part of contributions are actually minor corrections on the already existing data. It is an incremental process and one should never assume any certain profile has a perfect cast list. Because of the historic errors you will find many incorrect names in the name list of actors already on your PC.

If the actual credits say anything other then Meat Loaf Aday then your contribution would be wrong. You must see what the actual credits actually say to get this right.

IF the common name is Meat Loaf.... then here is what you would do...

If the credits said...

Meat Loaf... you would just submit name Meat Loaf... Credited As empty.
Meatloaf... Meat Loaf [Meatloaf]
Meat Loaf Aday.... Meat Loaf [Meat Loaf Aday]

etc., etc., etc... for all the names he ever used. As seen in the earlier post he seemed to have used several other names as well.

There could be 100 profiles for a single title, and I guess my submission would end up changing just one of those 100.

I know you can review all current voted / unvoted submissions, but that requires people to actively look through the submissions to see what is there versus what they have in their collection.

Because of the database upload feature, Profiler already knows the titles that many of us have in our collections. It seems reasonable to me that we could have an "opt-in" system of notification where a change to a profile would generate emails inviting people with that profile locally to participate in the review process.

I think it would also be worthwhile to have a system where a name or credit correction in one profile would propagate emails to holders of other profiles for the same title to participate in the review process and submit revisions for the profile version they happened to have locally.

This would potentially generate a lot of revision submissions, making profile contents more standard. I know this would represent more work, but it's the sort of thing that we could spread around.

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When a few contributors get together on a name and make corrections it goes faster and helps everyone out.

Awesome!

Maybe a common name thread for Meat Loaf needs to be started to confirm credited name for each title. And then a mass of contributions to correct the profiles in the database. Anyone up for it.

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If you want to contribute you ALWAYS want to verify what the credits actually say.

One thing I was wondering here was about the issue of the common name "Meat Loaf".

Doesn't making my contribution really only say that the original submitter simply chose the wrong (a less common) common name? That they listed "Meat Loaf Aday" instead of "Meat Loaf" [Meat Loaf Aday]?

Aren't we asking submitters to do a lot of extra work if we ask them to look up the most common / accepted common name versus what they see in the credits (which is already a lot of work)?

Yes it is alot of work.

Well you can just contribute the name as credited, that is really all work that is required. Researching common names is optional but desired by many.