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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Regarding the actual Run Time, what else should we cut? Eg local distributor's intro trailers attached to the main feature? The awful up to 20 seconds long StudioCanal intro comes to mind, is it correct to remove them? I guess it comes down to how useful data you want. If we enter a running time that is 5 minutes longer than the actual feature someone might think that this is a longer, more complete version of the film when compared to other releases. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Quoting bbbbb:
Quote: Regarding the actual Run Time, what else should we cut? Eg local distributor's intro trailers attached to the main feature? The awful up to 20 seconds long StudioCanal intro comes to mind, is it correct to remove them? I guess it comes down to how useful data you want. If we enter a running time that is 5 minutes longer than the actual feature someone might think that this is a longer, more complete version of the film when compared to other releases. Your OP said this data was some type of trailer. We do not include trailers and their run time as part of the feature film running time. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: Quoting KinoNiki:
Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: Nobody?
Can't have a week go by without a stupid argument can you?. I'm sorry, did you wake up on the wrong side? I wasn't looking for an argument. I wanted to know what the correct way was to enter the data. So far I haven't argued anything, only asked a question. Seems to me that only one of us is starting a stupid argument, and it isn't me... Well then, seems like you got exactly what you asked for. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy You got tangled up, re read his op. He made reference to trailers but not this particulalr title.
Gunnar You aren't going to like this. But your opinion of what you think the runtime is, is just that your opinion. As such it belongs only locally. Your DVD or computer will factually tell you what the runtime is that is programmed on the disc. That is hard verifiable data, not based on opinion. Sorry pal but that's the way it is. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Kathy You got tangled up, re read his op. He made reference to trailers but not this particulalr title. I am not "tangled up". I have re-read the op. The reference is to this film, which ends at 1:18 and...well here, re-read it yourself. I've highlighted the relevant section so you don't get "tangled up". Quoting GSyren: Quote:
1) The film proper ends at 1:18, but the track continues for another 5 minutes with no picture, but with sound that seems to be from some trailer. Which running time is correct for Profiler, 1:18 or 1:23?
Based on the information that has been provided, the answers to both the OP questions are, in my mind, quite clear. Unless you can provide the exact section of the rules to rationalize your stance, I stand my decision in my first post about the correct way to contribute this profile based on invelos' rules. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | In respect to the running time, as per the rules, you take the data from the disc itself. As it's been pointed out this situation is not clear and not specific enough to deal with this situation. The running time rule is found under FILM DETAILS, so to me the question what runtime to use from the two runtimes from the DVD is whether you consider the extraneous few minutes part of the film or not. Without being able to view it myself it's hard to say, but without any evidence to the contrary I'd have to side with the OP, as they have viewed the disc. For those who are going to vote on it, they too would be able to view the disc and vote accordingly.
As far as the producers credit, I'm surprised this hasn't come up before as I'm pretty sure there are a few directing siblings out there that refer to themselves as one entity. Aren't the Wachowskis credited as the Wachowskis Brothers on The Matrix? If so, how are they credited? I'm not at home right now, so I can't check until later. Regardless I'm sure this isn't the first time this has popped up, IMO it would seem the best just to list them individually:
Tim Hildebrand Rita Hildebrand Jonathan Harris Susan Harris
But if there is some previous precedent that supersedes this, then I'd go with that, but in my mind this makes the most sense in the spirt of the rules, since the rules don't specifically state how to handle this situation. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I own quite a few profiles that have credits similar to this but I couldn't remember which ones or who the people were. Thank you DoubleDownAgain for remembering one.
I checked the Director credits and for every single profile (6 of 6) that has this data, each brother is credited as follows:
Direction: The Wachowski Brothers Director The Wachowski Brothers Director |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | has the whole Larry/Lana thing came up yet? But that is also slightly different than this situation.... as they are listed by name, just together. I'm sure this has come up many times before | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I have seen this come up a few times and, in each case I have seen, the credited as feature was used which, in my opinion, is what the rules require. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I have seen this come up a few times and, in each case I have seen, the credited as feature was used which, in my opinion, is what the rules require. I know I've seen it this way too but I can't remember the films or people to check. But, I agree that this is what the rules require. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy Again the user is not stating a fact but his opinion, SEEMS to be from...is opinion or belief have no place in the online. The factual data is that which is read by the player or software. The user had no involvement in either the film production or the DVD, therefore he can only come to conclusions based upon opinion, not fact. He even specified that there was no picture just music, he assumes its from somtrailer, many are the films that included music to exit the theater by, or enter, and they are part if the film. Bottom line, he doesn't KNOW, he is talking about his opinion and the place for such is locally, not the online...ever. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I've given my thoughts, and my opinion, on this matter. I don't own the DVD and stand by my rationale based on what I've read in this thread.
I am not going to continue to discuss 5 minutes of data. Any more time spent on that is a waste of my time. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Then don't Kathy, no harm no foul.
But let's get silly for a moment. Let's just ignore what the player and the software say. Marvel includes scenes for the movie, AFTER all the credits have rolled. So if that is end of the movie as defined by gunnar, then those scenes are not a part of the film, even though theyvare included in the runtime. We must be consistent here Kathy. I am not even positing an argument that the scenes are not part of the movie. I am only accepting gunnars argument of credits end, so does the movie and the runtime. If you accept his argument then it must be applied to ALL, not just the films that gunnar or you or anyone else deem but to all. This was exactly why we spelled out the runtime as being determined by the disc, you could even have people arguing that the credits are not included either. When do most people leave the theater or turn off the DVD. I can tell you because I am one of the few that remain for the entire credit crawl, sometimes I am last to leave. No gunnars argument doesn't hold water, sorry gunnar. Your opinion...local. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | You seem to like to allow for exceptions, Kathy. I don't, the reason being that each every exception weakens the rules and the online database, as so painfully noted by widescreen forever. I try my level best to stop the foolishness but... | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: You seem to like to allow for exceptions, Kathy. I don't, the reason being that each every exception weakens the rules and the online database, as so painfully noted by widescreen forever. I try my level best to stop the foolishness but... You are allowed to have and state your opinion on the contribution process. Every single person has the same right to express their opinions also. What you fail to see is that yours is only one opinion and no one has to accept it as fact. It is not your place stop "the foolishness" in these forums. In fact I find it quite insulting to call dissenting opinions such names. Is it any wonder why people do not wish to discuss things with you? Edit: It seems to me that you are trying to make exceptions to the online database based on your post in this thread regarding Crew data. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I remembered other people that I'll need to check: The Pang Brothers. This will have to wait though, Thor just came in the mail and it's the only Marvel movie I haven't seen. |
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