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Not everyone can access that rules committee forum and I think that's unfair.

Everyone can access the rules commitee forum - all you need to do is request access.

OK.

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I don't know what to tell you on that...

I didn't create the Rules Committee Forum... Invelos did. As for having access... in my experience all you need to do is request entrance. I can't say why Invelos decided to do it that way... but apparently it is the way they want it done.

As for them being rules or guidelines... they are definitely rules that must be followed for the online. We used to have guidelines before the rules that got us nowhere fast. That is when they were changed to rules.

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If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database.

So for the online... all contributions must follow these rules. If you (general) don't follow them expect to see no votes.

I myself am a very rules oriented person... I personally vote no to anything that goes against any of the rules (if I agree with the rule or not).

Alright. But with this attitude, it's even more crucial to banish irrational "rules" that serve no purpose but to cause problems and confusions and irritation.
That's what I meant. That some people are too controlled by rules and expect others to be the same.
So let's change this. Yes??
One movie should equal one title.
If you don't agree, you are too conservative and that's not healthy for the database.

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One film = 1 title.... I completely disagree. There is a reason we need the Original title field. Lots of movies are released under (at times several) multiple titles. And if it is released under an alternate title... that alternate title needs to be used for that release.

One Film = 1 Original Title. I agree! At the same time I realize it won't be an easy rule to write.

Actually, the problem is there are two reasons we need the Original Title field.  And when either situation crops up it fills that need.  The problem is exhibited when both situations happen.  To get all the proper information in the database, we need a rule that instructs one how to fit all the data in the current field; maybe like:

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If the DVD/Blu-ray title differs from the title in the credits..., put the credits title in Original Title.  If the release title differs from the original release title (language, etc.) put the original release title in Original Title.  If both of the above apply, put <space> "/" <space> between them.

Much preferable would be another title field.

I spent a little of my free time looking around the web at various places wondering about this Marvel's The Avengers. Ok, I didn't write down all that I encountered but from where I sit it looks to me that Marvel think and like to call the movie "Marvel's The Avengers", hollywood and the film media and especially promoters seemed to not like that title and thus promote the movie as The Avengers with often conceding the name by presenting it as Marvel's - in the smallest font they can get away with - followed by The Avengers in as large a font they can get away with.

Obviously the promotional arm of the film heirarchy have successfully managed to get this movie known as The Avengers, when it originally wasn't titled that way.

To me, this would mean I would logically think that the edition should have the Title "The Avengers" with the Original title as "Marvel's The Avengers".

Now maybe none of this conforms to Profiler rules, but logically, that's the way I think - just my thoughts.

I don't take anything for granted. I read... and go by... the actual words people use. Especially when there is both a title field and an original title field. You (or anyone) says title I am going to think title field. That is just the way my brain works.

The thing is... a poll... even if it is unanimous... don't mean it will have to change. There has been many polls where the members showed what was wanted... but Invelos never bothered to change it per the poll.

As I said before... we were already told how to go about changing a rule...

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1. Bring it to the Rules Committee Forum
2. Discuss how it must change and get a consensus.
3. Discuss the wording of the rules... get a consensus on the wording
4. Send a Message to Ken Cole about the Rule Change.... Then he can either agree with it or disagree with it.
5. We wait for Ken's decision and for him to change the rules

And even then... in the end Invelos has to agree with the change we are requesting.

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Perfect example is "Below Utopia" original title on USA cable TV.

Was this the film's original release?

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So which is the original title.

Then "Below Utopia".

The problem for me with continuing this debate is that I haven't seen (Marvel's) The Avengers, and there are no convincing examples here about original titles that have changed...
I believe there is a problem about this for real, when I see it. So far it's just a lot of nonsense going on.

And if no one really wants to do anything about it, fine. Some seem to rather see problems and obstacles than solutions. Even if they are members of that golden committee.

It's a bit tempting to be an anarchist here, and change stuff on one's own. Not that I have any problems with original titles or have seen direct errors that can't be changed... And if I do, I'm sure to correct those errors. *shrugs*

You missed out asking if it's Marvel's Avengers Assemble or Avengers Assemble in the UK... 

...and, from my previous thread on the subject, if the steelbook BD release has just as the Avengers logo on the front does that make the DVD title "The Avengers" - assuming we don't just call it "A"   - (therefore matching the US Original Title so the Rules would say not to put anything in the Original Title field) which would mean no mention of Avengers Assemble anywhere in the profile despite the fact it's actually the release title AND displayed on screen in the UK version?