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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 4,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
Wizard of Oz Wizzard of Oz has no black & white.... The so called black & white scene at the beginning of the movie is color...., they used a color filter for that. | | | | Registered: July 7 2000 |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Zwollenaar: Quote:
Wizzard of Oz has no black & white....
The so called black & white scene at the beginning of the movie is color...., they used a color filter for that. Regardless of how they did it, per the Rules part of WoOz is Black & White. Quote:
Black & White: Programs that were filmed in, and are displayed in, Black & White or sepia/single toned | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know how WoOz was made. But if Zwollenaar is right, the beginning of WoOz is not B&W per the rules.
"Black & White: Programs that were filmed in, and are displayed in, Black & White or sepia/single toned."
Notice the "and". Again according to Zwollenaar, the beginning of the movie was not filmed in B&W. | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Zwollenaar: Quote:
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Wizard of Oz
Wizzard of Oz has no black & white....
The so called black & white scene at the beginning of the movie is color...., they used a color filter for that. The wording of the rules should then IMO be updated so that what matters is only what we see on screen. There is no way we can always tell whether the movie was shot on black & white film, or whether colours were removed in post-processing (or filters). IMHO it is not within the scope of DVDP usage to investigate the technical history of the production. So I suggest the change of wording of the rules - for all practical purposes the beginning of WoZ is black & white. And before anyone else says it, I say it myself  : "why not abandon the "colorized", then, too? If we see colours, colour film it is!". Well, at least we can detect the crayon movies easier than "fake" b&w  | | | Mika
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Technically, by the existing rule, Wizard of Oz would be neither color not black and white as it doesn't fully meet either wording. The only wording it fits exactly is mixed, since it does feature different coloring methods, and meets the 10% requirement. The description for "Mixed" does not exclude based on how it was filmed.
However, the existing wording for color and black and white could be misconstrued for other titles, so I've changed 'filmed' to 'produced'. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Zwollenaar: Quote:
Quoting Draxen:
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Wizard of Oz
Wizzard of Oz has no black & white....
The so called black & white scene at the beginning of the movie is color...., they used a color filter for that. Slightly OT, but are you sure about that? Sepia films were traditionally shot in b/w and chemically tinted. Release prints were probably made on color stock as it would have been technically difficult to mix, but I doubt that the camera negatives were color for the sepia sequences. There would be no need, and Technicolor was much more expensive. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Technically, by the existing rule, Wizard of Oz would be neither color not black and white as it doesn't fully meet either wording. The only wording it fits exactly is mixed, since it does feature different coloring methods, and meets the 10% requirement. The description for "Mixed" does not exclude based on how it was filmed.
However, the existing wording for color and black and white could be misconstrued for other titles, so I've changed 'filmed' to 'produced'.  Thanks. | | | Mika
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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Quoting Draxen:
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Wizard of Oz
Wizzard of Oz has no black & white....
The so called black & white scene at the beginning of the movie is color...., they used a color filter for that.
Slightly OT, but are you sure about that? Sepia films were traditionally shot in b/w and chemically tinted. Release prints were probably made on color stock as it would have been technically difficult to mix, but I doubt that the camera negatives were color for the sepia sequences. There would be no need, and Technicolor was much more expensive. It would seem Wikipedia agrees with you: "All of the Oz sequences were filmed in three-strip Technicolor.[13][14] The opening and closing credits, as well as the Kansas sequences, were filmed in black and white and colored in a sepia tone process" In either case, mixed is correct.  | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: May 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wonder how you make it with the 10 % rule. Do you look each film with your stop watch in your hand to count the Black & White part in the film and at the end you can tell Running Time is 1 hour, 21 minutes are in Black and White so it is more than 10 %? Nobody will do this in the praxis, you agree?
And Bonus material should not be counted, only the main film or you will even have more difficutlies with above rule :-).
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules already say the special features don't count. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks Addicted2DVD I missunderstood this, makes it easier :-) Fritz Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The rules already say the special features don't count. | | | *
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SwissFilm: Quote:
I wonder how you make it with the 10 % rule. Do you look each film with your stop watch in your hand to count the Black & White part in the film and at the end you can tell Running Time is 1 hour, 21 minutes are in Black and White so it is more than 10 %? We believe a hard and fast rule is necessary to reduce ping-ponging. In practice, the number of films that are near enough to the 10% mark to warrant a stopwatch is very small. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Zwollenaar: Quote:
Quoting Draxen:
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Wizard of Oz
Wizzard of Oz has no black & white....
The so called black & white scene at the beginning of the movie is color...., they used a color filter for that. Technically, this is incorrect. The beginning of the film was filmed with a Sepia-tone film. The film probably soaked in Silver sulfide ferrocyanide to stain the film. The color sequences were done in 3 strip technicolor film. (trivia...The transition from "sepia" to color was hand painted) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
We believe a hard and fast rule is necessary to reduce ping-ponging. In practice, the number of films that are near enough to the 10% mark to warrant a stopwatch is very small. In "Casino Royale", the opening sequence is in black and white and lasts 4 minutes, which is 3% of running time. This sequence shows how James Bond earned his licence to kill and can be considered as a major point of the saga. For me, Casino Royale (as many other movies as "Dead Again", "OSS 117, Le Caire nid d'espion", "Schindler's List", "Q"...) should be marked as mixed. I disagree with a 10% rule, shall not use it for my local, and regret that contribution options always choose the worst solution. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 201 |
| | Posted: | | | | On Hogans Heroes Season 1 Episode 1 is B/W (32 Ep)
Shouldnt this be counted as Mixed?
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Should Color and Dimension alse be removed from boxsets ? | | | | Last edited: by nimrod85 |
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| Registered: December 22, 2008 | | Posts: 87 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting nimrod85: Quote:
On Hogans Heroes Season 1 Episode 1 is B/W (32 Ep)
Shouldnt this be counted as Mixed? Nope, the whole episode is B&W. The correct option is 'Multiple', if it's togehter with Color episodes on the same Disc. The Season set then of course is also "Multiple'. Quote:
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Should Color and Dimension alse be removed from boxsets ? No, on the contrary. There's no exception for Color and Dimensionality on Box Sets and this is on purpose. | | | | Last edited: by M_E |
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