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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW now can we please stop worrying about me and someone present some thoughts on documentation.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
BTW now can we please stop worrying about me and someone present some thoughts on documentation.
Skip What an ego! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No ego at all, Hal, there you go again, thinking you understand things you haven't clue about. I ask for ideas on the documentation and have I seen anything yet...NOPE. Can';t be bothered talking about ideas that might help on this issue, I'd rather slap Skip around some more.  Get a hold of yourself, Hal and stop pretending that you can make assumptions, because the only thing that is...you know the rest. Do something useful for a change and let's discuss the ideas. and cease your incessant personal slams. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | I never worry about you Skip  I am pretty easy going when it comes to documentation on most things. If something looks screwy to me a quick Google search usually confirms what the user is providing. Most instances in my experience if the person submitting whatever shows some sort of documentation they usually have done the work. Not many of these (if any that I can remember) were providing a source, but lying about it at the same time. Some people try to do that with Cast but that's prewtty easy to spot, as we all know. Like I said in my earlier post, I just don't wan to have huge debates over what year Barbara Streisand was born. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
I never worry about you Skip
I am pretty easy going when it comes to documentation on most things. If something looks screwy to me a quick Google search usually confirms what the user is providing.
Most instances in my experience if the person submitting whatever shows some sort of documentation they usually have done the work. Not many of these (if any that I can remember) were providing a source, but lying about it at the same time. Some people try to do that with Cast but that's prewtty easy to spot, as we all know.
Like I said in my earlier post, I just don't wan to have huge debates over what year Barbara Streisand was born. God, I hope not and I hope there isn't more than one of her, which makes the Birth year irrelevant.  But as I noted there 48 listings for John Williams, I am sure there are several duplicates for both the composer and the actor, but NOT 48 of them, we have to be sure we are talking about the right one and the only way to do that is for users to document the sources used. When I have done it, it has never been that hard, though I haven't tackled BY...yet. I am sure i will soon and I will see then what we are up against. In the meantime.....thoughts on what might work. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 181 |
| | Posted: | | | | The bottom line is, short of seeing a birth certificate, you cant trust any documantation any more than you can trust a user if there is no documentation.
There are some very reputable sources for birth years such as the World Almanac and "official" websites. However, there is no way to tell whether a documented source is reputable. Furthermore, there is no way to tell whether the source document was even actually used. Essentially, this makes documantation only a tool to make it easier for the voter to verify for himself. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree completely, kovacs Thak God, you didn't have an example.  Whew!!!! But something is btter than nothing. None of us really know each other, or very few, at any rate. So why would I just throw something out there and expect you to buy it soley on may say so. I would not expect you to, it's not that big a deal. We have to work as a Team. I am all too aware of the shortcomings of any potential source but...still it is something., as opposed to did you pull this out of a hat or what? Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 181 |
| | Posted: | | | | i did give an example of the problem i stated before if you look back a page. although, at this point that specific example should not be an issue in the database. Just something to think about. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Program, Program, get your Programs here, you can't tell'em apart without a Program.  Based on what I saw quick and dirty, kovacs It looks to me like we have TWO separate Master Names for these two Josh Nelson Joshua Nelson Now the question becomes would a Credited as Josh Nelson cause any conflict with the Master Name Josh Nelson, I suspect it would not, perhaps Ken could answer that. Egads. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 181 |
| | Posted: | | | | But you know, this same issue is going to come up sooner or later with names like Michael Smith or Chris Brown. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Now the question becomes would a Credited as Josh Nelson cause any conflict with the Master Name Josh Nelson, I suspect it would not, perhaps Ken could answer that. Egads. I am obviously not Ken, but I doubt there is conflict. The master name must be stored in the profile together with the as credited name, other wise the link would be impossible. So, if Joshua Nelson is credited as Josh Nelson und you clock on his name, the program will use the Master Name Joshua Nelson to look for other occurrences in your collection, and not Josh Nelson... | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 181 |
| | Posted: | | | | thats fine, but if i download a profile of a movie where he has been credited as Josh Nelson, and has been entered in the cast as Josh Nelson, then Joshua is going to be the same as Josh and vice versa. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kovacs01: Quote:
thats fine, but if i download a profile of a movie where he has been credited as Josh Nelson, and has been entered in the cast as Josh Nelson, then Joshua is going to be the same as Josh and vice versa.  Not sure I got that... But I think (Master Name [credited as]: Josh Nelson [Josh Nelson] will link to all profiles where the Master Name Josh Nelson is found. Josh Nelson [Joshua Nelson] will link to all profiles where the Master Name Josh Nelson is found. Joshua Nelson [Josh Nelson] will link to all profiles where the Master Name Joshua Nelson is found. Joshua Nelson [Joshua Nelson] will link to all profiles where the Master Name Joshua Nelson is found. The [credited as] name should not be used for the linking at all. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 14 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
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Think they missed the 'only add the birth year if necessary'. I'd vote no with a reason that the birthdate is not to be added as standard.
I too would see it as a misunderstanding.
I would also make a mental note of the contributor for future reference I am the fool who miss understood the rules. Since somebody was kind enough to point out my mistake, I have withdrawn the profiles. I would like to state that I was only trying to be help full in updating existing profiles. I do now understand what I did wrong, and will refrain from ever submitting cast information in this format again. You are more than welcome to note my user name, as I you are unlikely to see cast profiles submitted from me again. Thank you very much to the user who was polite enough to PM me and let me know that I had made a mistake. It is nice that there are still well educated gentlemen out there.  The last thing I want to do is introduce rubbish into the database. |
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