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You have to have some sort of linking of the data, IMDB does it by what appears to be first credited name then using roman numerals for those with the same name.  It is a standard that they have come up with.

The roman numerals are just the optical way to distinguish John Smith (II) from John Smith (IX). That's just the eye candy for the users. The real distinguisher is the person ID, for example nm2088803 for Yvonne Strahovski.

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Problem we have... is we have a standard for names but, some contributors still refuse to follow those standards so we basically have a mixed bag.

I don't want to hijack this topic. But this comes up all the time and it simply isn't that easy.

And this isn't only about accents / special letters in names. I own most stuff from Rob Zombie. I don't even think of it to make his wifes crosslinks work online. (Sheri Moon -> Sheri Moon Zombie). It takes me seconds to do that offline. To contribute these simple changes is most likely impossible. What I would to if I tried to contribute profile changes would probably mean to remove her completly from some releases (Bonus DVDs coming with a CD), instead of getting more links working.

In the meantime some rules simply are more clear. Maybe it was once fine to include her in a profile, maybe not. Zombies homepages might have changed. Probably there were credits allowing her to add at Rob Zombies site once, but maybe they are gone today.

(I haven't further investigated this, its just an example what might happen. Probably it is possible to make crosslinks work and not needed to remove her from profiles. But it would still be hell of a work and she only is in very few releases compared to other people).

I was merly making a suggestion... my personal feelings is that there will never be a centralized database and the program will continue as it always has with individual profiles for every DVD release of a single film.    I think most users of DVD profiler could careless about (exact film credit data) or even other other items that are profiled.

I gave up on trying to profile my personal collection a long time ago and just use the program to track the DVD/Blu-rays I own.  It's not worth it anymore to try and make sure that every DVD that same actor appears links to every movie they appeared in just because of minor or major name changes.

What little I still contribute I do so by following the contribution rules as defined by Invelos.  Will there ever be a perfect linking system in DVD profiler I seriously doubt it ... it will always be a linking system. 

I find watching my DVD collection much more enjoyable than the same old endless decissions in this forum.

It seems we won't.

While trying to determine proper common names while entering cast and crew for The Expendables today, came across these in the CLT results. One profile was entered on Oct. 30th, one was entered two days ago... (and considering the release dates for both have yet to happen, you'd think a full cast and crew list might seem a little more suspicious and deserve a second look)





I get why people do it, it's easier. Doesn't make it any less annoying though. I'm also starting to wonder, when it's so blatantly ovbious as this, why aren't these caught in the screening process. A common name in the character name is a dead giveaway of an IMDB clone. I get the screener(s) are human and make mistakes, but I also get that he (they've) been doing this for quite some time at this point, and you'd think it be easier as time goes by to spot dead giveaways like this. It seems like basically anything will go through these days unless there's a no vote attached to it, which unfortunately can't happen on new profiles.

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I'm not sure a "no" vote even matters much [...]

I'm fairly sure that if the no-vote properly explains that the contribution contains  IMDb-mined data, it'll matter.

Is it possible they were cloned from another profile that has been checked though as that of course is allowed (I can't access Profiler right at this minute so can't look myself)?

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Is it possible they were cloned from another profile that has been checked though as that of course is allowed (I can't access Profiler right at this minute so can't look myself)?

The notes for the Denmark profile (entered on October 30th) simply state "Info from dvd cover and credit list on dvd."

The notes for the Portugal profile (entered on Nov. 22nd) state "This title is not yet in the database.
Collected data from websites of movie companies and distributors;
only essential information was added. Source:
Cast and Crew "Previous version UPC#5705535041331"

I'm not sure what the last line means, as there's only one profile (this one) in the system under 5705535041331.

So it doesn't look like it.

I think you got slightly mixed up there, the notes in the Portuguese release say previous version and then the Danish EAN so the Portuguese has cloned from the Danish. It is always possible that the cast/crew credits on the Danish release came from a review copy/screener. Is suppose only the person who added it knows for sure?

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I think you got slightly mixed up there, the notes in the Portuguese release say previous version and then the Danish EAN so the Portuguese has cloned from the Danish. It is always possible that the cast/crew credits on the Danish release came from a review copy/screener. Is suppose only the person who added it knows for sure?

You're right. Whoops. 

So one was copied from the other then I suppose.

It's possible yes that the cast and crew came from a review copy/screener, or course. I don't buy that as an explanation though. The only times I've ever seen a common name for an actor entered into the character name is when the profile has been directly cloned from IMDB (since that's the way IMDB lists their cast, with the common name after the character name).

Either way though, does it matter? The original profile is wrong (with a sign that sends off red flags warning of possible IMDB clonage) and that wrong info was copied into another profile without being double checked for accuracy.

I'm not even really saying anything bad against the members who submitted these. They did what they did, cool (well, not cool... but you know what I mean hopefully!). The screener(s), after all this time, should be able to spot and catch things like that. We both know from editing as Spot that after awhile, seeing errors like that becomes second nature. You look for specific things and if you see them, you take another look at the profile to ensure it's correct. The screener(s) around here haven't been doing that in what seems like a pretty long time (only my opinion of course).

What's the point in working so hard to get the most accurate information if there's no one even looking for the inaccurate information?

It's just a pet peeve I suppose.    I've spent a lot of time (like I did on Spot... god damn I need new hobbies!!  ) correcting original titles, production years and submitting proper common names to help clean up the CLT results and remove IMDB stuff (only because it's not allowed, otherwise I have zero problem with IMDB!) only to see it's constantly entered and approved on a regular basis when it's painfully easy to spot. Just an annoyance that I should definitely get over, and quickly!