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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: The best data possible as defined by YOU, Yves. Not really by me, just by spelling rules. Can't we agree about where are the spelling mistakes in this sentence I heard ? " Too wait for my to sons was two long" There is no difference when I see GERARD or FRANCOIS, or hear those names, I can spell them correctly in mixed case. | | | Images from movies |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: The best data possible as defined by YOU, Yves.
Not really by me, just by spelling rules. Can't we agree about where are the spelling mistakes in this sentence I heard ? "Too wait for my to sons was two long"
There is no difference when I see GERARD or FRANCOIS, or hear those names, I can spell them correctly in mixed case. This is just one part of it. You can, me perhaps not. How about Lalette Littlejohn? (Just an example for any of the other possibilities) |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Because we are forced to convert them to mixed case, I will do my vest to convert them properly. As do I, of course. Since Invelos considers those differences "immaterial", however, I frequently see those "properly" entered names messed up again with the next contribution. And then back again. And then back AGAIN. Witnessing that pointless back-and-forth over and over again, I just can't help thinking there must be a better way to deal with this. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: The best data possible as defined by YOU, Yves.
Not really by me, just by spelling rules. Can't we agree about where are the spelling mistakes in this sentence I heard ? "Too wait for my to sons was two long"
There is no difference when I see GERARD or FRANCOIS, or hear those names, I can spell them correctly in mixed case. I repeat, Yves, as defined by YOU, not by the data. That is the crucial distinction, Profiler says we follow the data, not your imagination, not spelling Rules by anyone or any culture, simply the data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Tim:
I think this particular back and forth to which you refer is caused by some wanting to follow other than the Rules and the data,though I am not sure. What is known is that the linking as designed and executed is a wreck, but that is not caused by the data, that is caused by having to select a priority name based on user input which is flawed. Better ways have been suggested, but all we can do is wait to see what happens. I don't think the existing system is salvageable. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Please, give a real world example. k.d. lang with doubt is Always spelt out this way ...... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Please, give a real world example. k.d. lang with doubt is Always spelt out this way ...... How are the credits above and below this credit capitalised? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Not sure of your question but the name above (hers) would be: first letter capitalized all rest lower case, same as below the name as well..... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: Not sure of your question but the name above (hers) would be: first letter capitalized all rest lower case, same as below the name as well..... Would or is? Real world example? Could you please give the credits (names and roles) of that credit including the neighbourhood credits in their original capitalisation? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | give me some time and I'll run a screen grab here .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: I repeat, Yves, as defined by YOU, not by the data. That is the crucial distinction, Profiler says we follow the data, not your imagination, not spelling Rules by anyone or any culture, simply the data. I am sorry, but Profiler does not tell us follow the data, Profiler tells us to cohange the data. If we were to follow the data, MCSMITH would be entered as MCSMITH, instead of Mcsmith or McSmith. The truth of the matter is, for titles, names, roles, overviews and rating details, we do not follow the "hard data". Instead, we change it for aesthetic reasons so, please, let's, for once, be honest about it. The issue surfeur51 has, and it is a valid one, is that I can change that data into the proper format... Danny DeVito instead of Danny DevitoLeVar BurtonBurton instead of Levar Burton...and he can't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: I'll try to explain it, but don't slap me if I can't do it in a good way.
Let's say you add Profile A with actor John Mcsmith in it and it is the first time you add a John Mcsmith, then you get an entry with John Mcsmith in your local database. Let's say you add this ProfileA to, eg, the Wish List, but then remove it. Will your local actor's database keep its John Mcsmith? If you at some point add another ProfileB, with correct John McSmith, will the name John Mcsmith stay? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Let's say you add this ProfileA to, eg, the Wish List, but then remove it.
Will your local actor's database keep its John Mcsmith? Unless you remove it (either manually from within the program, or by doing a full cleanup of all unused cast and crew using the Database Repair Utility), the actor entry will be kept. Quote: If you at some point add another ProfileB, with correct John McSmith, will the name John Mcsmith stay? If you didn't remove the actor entry the way I just described, then the John Mcsmith entry will still be there, and then that's the one that will be used in a newly-downloaded profile which actually has John McSmith. As explained before, Invelos considers capitalisation-only changes to be "immaterial" (since they don't affect the CLT count), and the program is simply set up to protect your local value no matter what. So if that value happens to be "John Mcsmith", then that's what it will protect for you. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: I repeat, Yves, as defined by YOU, not by the data. That is the crucial distinction, Profiler says we follow the data, not your imagination, not spelling Rules by anyone or any culture, simply the data. I am sorry, but Profiler does not tell us follow the data, Profiler tells us to cohange the data. If we were to follow the data, MCSMITH would be entered as MCSMITH, instead of Mcsmith or McSmith. The truth of the matter is, for titles, names, roles, overviews and rating details, we do not follow the "hard data". Instead, we change it for aesthetic reasons so, please, let's, for once, be honest about it.
The issue surfeur51 has, and it is a valid one, is that I can change that data into the proper format...
Danny DeVito instead of Danny Devito LeVar BurtonBurton instead of Levar Burton
...and he can't. I am sorry the rules absolutely do just that,Martian. "list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." Standard Caps for DANNY DEVITO would be Danny Devito per the Rules. Now you can do as I do and use Danny DeVito (Danny Devito) That captures the Screen data CORRECTLY, while also capturing the "correct" name, we ae after the crediteddata not necessarily the "correct" name per Ken's own words numerous times,martian. Let's follow the Rules for once...shall we. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: I repeat, Yves, as defined by YOU, not by the data. That is the crucial distinction, Profiler says we follow the data, not your imagination, not spelling Rules by anyone or any culture, simply the data. I am sorry, but Profiler does not tell us follow the data, Profiler tells us to cohange the data. If we were to follow the data, MCSMITH would be entered as MCSMITH, instead of Mcsmith or McSmith. The truth of the matter is, for titles, names, roles, overviews and rating details, we do not follow the "hard data". Instead, we change it for aesthetic reasons so, please, let's, for once, be honest about it.
The issue surfeur51 has, and it is a valid one, is that I can change that data into the proper format...
Danny DeVito instead of Danny Devito LeVar BurtonBurton instead of Levar Burton
...and he can't. I am sorry the rules absolutely do just that,Martian. "list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." Standard Caps for DANNY DEVITO would be Danny Devito per the Rules. Now you can do as I do and use Danny DeVito (Danny Devito) That captures the Screen data CORRECTLY, while also capturing the "correct" name, we ae after the crediteddata not necessarily the "correct" name per Ken's own words numerous times,martian.
Let's follow the Rules for once...shall we. While I do exactly the same thing as you're describing in my local database, you do need to realise that when contributed, "Danny DeVito [Danny Devito]" is automatically converted into "Danny DeVito" - the "credited as" value is lost. It's not stored in the online database; we only get to do that locally. It doesn't matter whether a user stores this as "Danny DeVito" or as "Danny DeVito [Danny Devito]" - the end result in the online database is exactly the same. And submitting it as "Danny Devito" is equally valid, by the way. Bottom line: per the rules, it really doesn't matter how we format it. It simply boils down to "anything goes", or "take your best shot". And then locally we (well: the few purists that care to do that) can use the "credited as" feature to store deviations, but those cannot be contributed into the online database. Of course, it needs to be pointed out that Mr. DeVito is a dumb example, since we all know how his name is supposed to be formatted. The rule is what it is not because of a few Mr. DeVito's, but because of all the virtual unknowns of which we don't know how their names are supposed to be capitalised. That's why it's "anything goes". |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Tim: this precisely why i have said so many numerous times that allof this silliness is exactly that because the examples used are always A-listers, including Yves famous example . But when you get down into the B-listers and, even better, the C and D-listers which are near or complete unknowns,like you and I, for example, then it becomes a guessing game to deal with "correct" or "real" name. Why are you and I unknowns,Tim, because we can both sit in a restaurant totally unmolested , we could even walk past each other on the street and never know it. But instead they like to throw up the A-listers for examples. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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