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Would a showing at the Austin Butt-Numb-A-Thon be valid as Production Year? |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've never understood why we go with 'first release' - which as we have seen is confusing, somewhat variable, and requires outside research - when we could go with the copyright date on the film itself.
I know that's not the rule, and I would never use it under the current rules. But I've never understood why we don't use it, since it would not be variable or require outside research. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not sure why either... but as you said the rule is the rule.
I think if it was up to me I would make it as simple as it possibly can be... and say something like...
When the year is printed on the case use that. If there is no year use the copyright date on the film itself. (I see going with the case to start because that is where it seems to me most people would start).
I would however keep the rule as is for TV Series... using earliest air date for episodes on disc. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
So, you are saying that the release date depends on the locality? No, that is not what I am saying. We are supposed to enter the Original Theatrical Release date. In my earlier post, I gave two examples of what I believe that to mean. You made an assumption that I was talking about US releases, which wasn't the case. If the first wide or limited release happens in Japan, that is the date I use. If it happens in Poland, that is the date I use. If it happens in the US, that is the date I use. It doesn't matter where the film was made, only when it was first released. I only used the example of a UK film. being released in the UK, to show that 'across the country' or 'nationally' didn't mean the USA. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
I've never understood why we go with 'first release' - which as we have seen is confusing, somewhat variable, and requires outside research - when we could go with the copyright date on the film itself.
I know that's not the rule, and I would never use it under the current rules. But I've never understood why we don't use it, since it would not be variable or require outside research. I completely agree. The copyright year is almost always available either on the packaging or in the film credits, and is usually a lot closer to the actual production year than a theatrical release year is! |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree as well. In any case, as both I and others have repeatedly requested, the misleading field name "Production Year" should be replaced, even under the current rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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So, you are saying that the release date depends on the locality?
No, that is not what I am saying. We are supposed to enter the Original Theatrical Release date. In my earlier post, I gave two examples of what I believe that to mean. You made an assumption that I was talking about US releases, which wasn't the case. If the first wide or limited release happens in Japan, that is the date I use. If it happens in Poland, that is the date I use. If it happens in the US, that is the date I use.
It doesn't matter where the film was made, only when it was first released. I only used the example of a UK film. being released in the UK, to show that 'across the country' or 'nationally' didn't mean the USA. So, it all depends how wide the release is. I can't see the relevance whether it has been shown in many theatres or only in one, as long as the performance is public. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
So, it all depends how wide the release is. I can't see the relevance whether it has been shown in many theatres or only in one, as long as the performance is public. I am not trying to convince you of anything, nor am I trying to show you the relevance. I am simply giving my opinion on the matter. Thatopinion is based on the fact that 'Theatrical Release Date' has meaning where I live. Since the rules are, in many areas, Hollywood centric, I have to believe that is what they are refering to. You don't have to agree but, until the rule is changed, that is the date I will be using. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | So this has reared its ugly head again. Can we move to a clearer definition of "Enter the year of the original theatrical release."
For "300", I used think it was 2006 but one obscure film festival does not make a theatrical release (IMO, of course). | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Theatrical Release" for me clearly is the date on which the feature was first presented to a public audience. How obscure the theater is is not part of the definition.
Otherwise where would you want to draw the line? Minimum 500 theaters? Minimum 1.000.000 visitors on opening night? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry to cause this problem for everyone. I'm the one looking to change the "300" profiles to 2006. It's either change 85 profiles to 2006 or change 43 profiles to 2007. I've received "no" votes on both, so I'd like a ruling (or rule addition) of some sort. And no, I don't have to own the 85/43 copies of 300, since a movie only has 1 release year...with the exception of The Evil Dead, of course!  I agree with you Silence. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! | | | | Last edited: by huskersports |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Husker, in the reference you provide to try and prove your case ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416449/releaseinfo) there is a date it was shown at the Numb-A-Thon and a few lines down the actual U.S. release date. So i don't see how that helps your case. Especially since it appears the Numb-A-Thon was a private screening if understand what is said on page 2 of this thread. Formal theatrical release (in this case 2007) is the right answer. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! | | | | Last edited: by tweeter |
| | Registered: April 17, 2007 | | Posts: 771 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Husker, in the reference you provide to try and prove your case (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416449/releaseinfo) there is a date it was shown at the Numb-A-Thon and a few lines down the actual U.S. release date. So i don't see how that helps your case.
Especially since it appears the Numb-A-Thon was a private screening if understand what i said on page 2 of this thread.
Formal theatrical release (in this case 2007) is the right answer. According to Wikipedia everybody can apply for entrance to the Numb-A-Thon, so for me theatrical release would be 2006. | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hallo-marvin: Quote:
According to Wikipedia everybody can apply for entrance to the Numb-A-Thon, so for me theatrical release would be 2006. While this may be, actual attendance is by invitation only so I would still call it a private screening. I might even call it a premier, but I wouldn't call it a theatrical release...which is what the rules call for. I know it is hard to pin down but, according to Indie filmmaker John Reiss, a theatrical release is in a theater, with a built in projection and sound environment, and opens on a Friday and runs through a Thursday. This, according to him, is the standard set up by the studios. * That being said, the trailer for 300 lists the release date as 03/09/2007 so, for me, the theatrical release date would be 2007. * definition can be found in the first 2 minutes of this video. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | So it's formal theatrical release? Was the Austin showing, private or whatever, in a theater? Does that count? I just want an answer one way or the other so 300 can have ONE year attached to it. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote:
So it's formal theatrical release? Was the Austin showing, private or whatever, in a theater? Does that count? I just want an answer one way or the other so 300 can have ONE year attached to it. I am not sure why it has to be this complicated. If I ask an average movie goer what a theatrical release is, what do you think they would say? The day it was released in theaters or a single showing at a film festival? I am willing to bet it is the former, rather than the latter. Beyond that, as I said above, the trailer for 300 has the release date as 03.09.07. Since that was created by the studio, why isn't that enough? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is there any reason we use a "theatrical release date" rather than a copyright date? |
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