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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Invelos Support: Quote:
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are you serious
Yes. The Common Name search feature operates off the "Credited As" field only when set. These filters set the Credited As field to what was originally entered, so they have no effect on the results of the common name search feature. but it affects a profile that I may purchase. Instead of a common name I get a auto-filtered name. pertaining to Frederick E.O. Toye I haven't found a credit for E. O. but now I get that name in my database if I want to update any Fringe, Lost, Revolution etc.TV Episodes. I just think it was a rube decision to add another auto-filter to the program when the other auto-filters have caused more linking problems then solutions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
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Albert Smith 10 Titles
Albert Smith Jr. - 5 titles
Albert Smith, Jr. - 6 titles
Since both "Albert Smith, Jr." and "Albert Smith Jr." would be forced by the filter to have the sane common name of "Albert Smith, Jr." the counts would be combined
Albert Smith 10 Titles
Albert Smith Jr./Albert Smith, Jr. - 11 titles
Common name would be "Albert Smith, Jr." I'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. The CLT, which is the tool we are supposed to use to determine the common name, counts the "Credited As" field. Using your example, Albert Smith Jr. would be 5, Albert Smith, Jr. would be 6 and Albert Smith would be 10 and the common name. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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"Example:
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Albert Smith 10 Titles
Albert Smith Jr. - 5 titles
Albert Smith, Jr. - 6 titles
Since both "Albert Smith, Jr." and "Albert Smith Jr." would be forced by the filter to have the sane common name of "Albert Smith, Jr." the counts would be combined
Albert Smith 10 Titles
Albert Smith Jr./Albert Smith, Jr. - 11 titles
Common name would be "Albert Smith, Jr."
I'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. The CLT, which is the tool we are supposed to use to determine the common name, counts the "Credited As" field. Using your example, Albert Smith Jr. would be 5, Albert Smith, Jr. would be 6 and Albert Smith would be 10 and the common name. I'm sorry - Not my line of thought. This is an example from a common name thread. and the example is what someone else has posted, If you had been reading any of my post from previous common name threads that have a variant that is auto-filtered, you would know that I believe each name is distinct and should hold it's own. There are others that add the credited name and auto-filtered together to get a common name total. Their reason - because the auto-filter matches another variant screen credit. Such as J. J. Abrams (screen credit) and J. J. Abrams (Auto-filter)[J.J. Abrams] (screen credit). |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
...What is important : to reproduce what we "see" in credits or avoid variants ?
... would it be possible to have finally an answer to this simple question ? Well, the lack of answer says a lot...  | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: June 1, 2013 |  Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I still hardly understand Invelos' logic:
1/ Names with initial or suffixes : filters change what we "see" in credits, to avoid variants
2/ Names with accents : contributors must create fake variants, not to change what we "see" in credits
What is important : to reproduce what we "see" (not read...) in credits (so why 1/) or avoid variants (so why 2/) ?
People will once again say I always repeat the same things, but would it be possible to have finally an answer to this simple question ? Why wouldn't this work:  1. you get perfect linking of names all the time 2. you avoid variants 3. for those wanting a record of how the name actually appears in the on screen credits, you get that too Just an opinion....am not trying to change anything with how the online db works |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I'm sorry - Not my line of thought.
This is an example from a common name thread. and the example is what someone else has posted, If you had been reading any of my post from previous common name threads that have a variant that is auto-filtered, you would know that I believe each name is distinct and should hold it's own. There are others that add the credited name and auto-filtered together to get a common name total. Their reason - because the auto-filter matches another variant screen credit. Such as J. J. Abrams (screen credit) and J. J. Abrams (Auto-filter)[J.J. Abrams] (screen credit). I don't, as much as possible, read any of the common name threads so I had no way of knowing that wasn't your line of thought. It is unfortunate that some people have chosen to 'do their own thing', rather than follow the rules, but that isn't caused by the filter, it is caused by individuals not following the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 554 |
| | Posted: | | | | Voters are voting no to my contribution to the Game of Thrones crew which autofilters George R.R. Martin to George R. R. Martin [George R.R. Martin].  | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
My Letterboxd Page | | | | Last edited: by Rizor |
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| Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote:
Voters are voting no to my contribution to the Game of Thrones crew which autofilters George R.R. Martin to George R. R. Martin [George R.R. Martin]. +1  | | | 
the real BirthYear OverView |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote:
Voters are voting no to my contribution to the Game of Thrones crew which autofilters George R.R. Martin to George R. R. Martin [George R.R. Martin]. Though I think that the rules should be followed. Maybe a show of disapproval for a stupid auto-filter will show Ken and the rules committee that what they thought was a good idea, is in fact something that should have never been suggested. And as a show of support, I will not contribute another profile that contains any auto-filter name. appologies to those who own the TV Series that I have 1/2 contributed. (Revolution, Lost, Fringe, Alias) | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Though I think that the rules should be followed. Maybe a show of disapproval for a stupid auto-filter will show Ken and the rules committee that what they thought was a good idea, is in fact something that should have never been suggested. For the record, this was never suggested by anybody. Ken implemented this filter, on his own, during a conversation concerning parsing of J.D. Dawodu and the use of the CA field. Thread can be seen here. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Though I think that the rules should be followed. Maybe a show of disapproval for a stupid auto-filter will show Ken and the rules committee that what they thought was a good idea, is in fact something that should have never been suggested.
For the record, this was never suggested by anybody. Ken implemented this filter, on his own, during a conversation concerning parsing of J.D. Dawodu and the use of the CA field. Thread can be seen here. I've seen that thread before. All I get from it is people who decided that the on-screen credited didn't need to be contributed anymore if initials were involved. one of your posts in that thread - Quoting ninehours: Quote: Quoting GreyHulk: Quote: Okay. So if we're agreed that J./D./Dawodu is the way forward.. Do I still use 'Credited As' J.D. Dawodu or is this unnecessary? Neil I would just enter it J./D./Dawodu and not use the credited as Agreed. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I still think removing the individual fields for first and middle name, and having just 1 for First middle would solve linking problems. FM/L no more F/M/L/ | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not entering the credited as name is simply wrong. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Removing the separate fields would only solve certain linking issues, not all. We don't need another band aid. We need a new linking system that works. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Removing the separate fields would only solve certain linking issues, not all. We don't need another band aid. We need a new linking system that works. I would take 1 solving change all initialed first and middle names (such J.J. Abrams, Kirk B.R. Woller) that are common names would stay common names, not a incorrect auto-filtered name that alot of people consider as a common name. but we get another auto filter that is going to cause more incorrect situations. I'm all for changes. But changes that help not changes for the sake of changes. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The way I see it... this is what Ken wants... in the end it is his database (that he allows us to use)... so it don't matter what we think. So I feel any no votes on here is completely wrong and is a rules violation of their own.
How is this any different then any other rule... we can't go voting no to correct contributions just because we don't like the rule. That is not fair to the contributor in any way.
If you don't like this filter and want it removed try to accomplish it in the correct manner. Do a poll here in the forum and see how much support removing the filter has... bring it to Invelos' attention that way. Ken is a reasonable person... as long as there isn't any behind the scenes reason not to he usually sides with the majority.
And this is happening at the right time since there is a beta going on his presence in the forum is much more at the moment. | | | | Pete |
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