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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | I went to make the change to the US profiles (yea... can you believe it?!?) and found this: "William Wisher" is credited in 28 titles (249 profiles) "William Wisher Jr" is credited in 2 titles (6 profiles) "William Wisher Jr." is credited in 28 titles (141 profiles) Counting titles it looks like the Jr is the most credited form (although one has the period and one doesn't). So, is it titles or profiles? Color me confused here (and a great reminder as to why I don't contribute  ) |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
WRONG, Tim. I said there is no record on either copy of Terminator (I have TWO of them) in my database that indicates anyone has created a William Wisher (William Wisher, Jr. ) link EVER. WRONG, Skip. Kluge specified the profile where he did so. So much for "anyone EVER". And as noted, any 'Terminator' profiles that don't use the proper "William Wisher" common name yet need to be updated. Instead of your assumption that Kluge's update is wrong, it's your 'Terminator' profiles that are wrong. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | There may be an issue with which name is common.
A clt search reveals
William Wisher 28/249
William Wisher Jr 2/6
William Wisher Jr. 28/141
William Wisher, Jr. 1/32
If the profiles were corrected, it would probably be a toss up..
MHO
Charlie |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Counting titles it looks like the Jr is the most credited form (although one has the period and one doesn't). Each and every one of those (the ones without the comma) are incorrect IMDb-mined data. And I mean that literally: every single one of the alledged "William Wisher Jr." entries in the database is incorrect IMDb-mined data. So let's disregard 'em. Quote:
So, is it titles or profiles? Per Ken, it's the number of titles. It doesn't matter, though, as in reality no "William Wisher Jr." credits exist. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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WRONG, Tim. I said there is no record on either copy of Terminator (I have TWO of them) in my database that indicates anyone has created a William Wisher (William Wisher, Jr. ) link EVER.
WRONG, Skip. Kluge specified the profile where he did so. So much for "anyone EVER". And as noted, any 'Terminator' profiles that don't use the proper "William Wisher" common name yet need to be updated. Instead of your assumption that Kluge's update is wrong, it's your 'Terminator' profiles that are wrong. Since when are these changes automatically done, Tim. They aren't and they have not been. As I have stated, Tim, the TWO copies that are in my own Db show NO RECORD that ANYONE has ever established any common name for William Wisher, Jr. Credited as Policeman. NEVER. So the link to William Wisher (uncredited) will bebroken by using the incorrect method for Common Name. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Counting titles it looks like the Jr is the most credited form (although one has the period and one doesn't).
Each and every one of those (the ones without the comma) are incorrect IMDb-mined data.
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So, is it titles or profiles?
Per Ken, it's the number of titles. Whether improperly mined or not, it shows the problem with the CLT data. Now we are not looking up the difference between 2 names, now we have 4. And which ones are right, which ones are wrong. There has to be a better way.. Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Whether improperly mined or not, it shows the problem with the CLT data. Now we are not looking up the difference between 2 names, now we have 4. And which ones are right, which ones are wrong.
There has to be a better way..
Charlie Agree (FWIW I cancelled my submission  ) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Counting titles it looks like the Jr is the most credited form (although one has the period and one doesn't).
Each and every one of those (the ones without the comma) are incorrect IMDb-mined data. And I mean that literally: every single one of the alledged "William Wisher Jr." entries in the database is incorrect IMDb-mined data. So let's disregard 'em.
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So, is it titles or profiles?
Per Ken, it's the number of titles. It doesn't matter, though, as in reality no "William Wisher Jr." credits exist. Excuse ME. I beg to differ. They most certainly DO. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
the TWO copies that are in my own Db show NO RECORD that ANYONE has ever established any common name for William Wisher, Jr. Credited as Policeman. NEVER. That means you, or anyone else, will have to correct those profiles. No, it doesn't happen automatically - this is how our common name system works. You establish the common name, and then you propagate it through your profiles. Mr. Wisher's common name is "William Wisher". Good news: Kluge is already propagating it to your 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day' profile, so that's one less you have to deal with yourself. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | If Kluge would use the proper form for Common Name, in this case William Wisher (William Wisher, Jr.) I would have little problem with him. But he has not, he has chosen an incorrect form that breaks the link to other CREDITED entries by simply changing it to William Wisher.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Excuse ME. I beg to differ. They most certainly DO. Proof? Note I said "William Wisher Jr." (no comma). I maintain that no such credit exists. If you beg to differ, could you please state in which film he is credited as such? |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
If Kluge would use the proper form for Common Name, in this case William Wisher (William Wisher, Jr.) I would have little problem with him. Once again: he can not do that, as this is an (uncredited) entry. The system doesn't allow it. And quite rightly: he isn't "credited as" William Wisher, Jr. as he isn't credited at all. How can you want to use "credited as" for when there is no credit? The fact that you think this is the answer - something that simply can't be done - shows that you seriously need to rethink your approach here. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
If Kluge would use the proper form for Common Name, in this case William Wisher (William Wisher, Jr.) I would have little problem with him. But he has not, he has chosen an incorrect form that breaks the link to other CREDITED entries by simply changing it to William Wisher.
Skip Skip, I suggest that you try it in your own local. Set William Wisher credited as (William Wisher, Jr.). Since Mr. Wisher is uncredited, that is not possible. | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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the TWO copies that are in my own Db show NO RECORD that ANYONE has ever established any common name for William Wisher, Jr. Credited as Policeman. NEVER.
That means you, or anyone else, will have to correct those profiles. No it doesn't happen automatically - this is how our common name system works. You establish the common name, and then you propagate it through your profiles. Mr. Wisher's common name is "William Wisher". Good news: Kluge is already propagating it to your ''Terminator 2: Judgment Day' profile, so that's one less you have to deal with yourself. I know that Tim, the question was rhetorical. I might be more willing to do this myself. except for the constant attacks launched upon me. So, no I won't be making changes to the ones in my database except locally perhaps. But this kind of change made by kluge simply weakens the system even more than it already is. His documentation that there is only ONE William Wisher is completely non-existent, then he used the IMPROPER form which breaks the link to any other William Wisher, Jr. credit and there are numerous such credits in variants. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not forcing you to do anything. If you don't want to use Mr. Wisher's common name in your database, then don't. Fine by me. As long as you don't contribute that data into profiles where the correct common name is used, and as long as you don't cast incorrect votes like you've done here, there is no problem.
But since you keep maintaining that Kluge used the "IMPROPER form" while he obviously didn't, I'm afraid you still don't grasp DVD Profiler's "credited as" system. In case you do choose to contribute cast and crew data, I sincerely hope you somehow gain a better understanding of this. It's clear that you won't listen to me, but hopefully someone else will be able to explain it to you someday. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
Based on a check of William Wisher Jr. I would be willing to say that there APPEARS to be some errors.However, since I also know that Credit listings are not universal, just because the data in some other profile does not match William Wisher, Jr., I am not prepared to make a global statemnt that any Profile which lists William Wisher Jr. is therefore incorrect, I don't own the other copies and can't check them for accuracy. I can only say that someone should be verifying their copies against the ACTUAL credits. William Wisher Jr. could very well be a valid credit.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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