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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And i would argue that you settle on the side of the hardcore user.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
And i would argue that you settle on the side of the hardcore user.
Skip Actually, I would argue the exact opposite. The online should be geared towards the majority who just want the biggies, not the minority who want the minutia. The tools already exist for the minority to make any additions they desire to their local. We constantly hear complaints about how this bad data got into the online because folks blindly voted it in. Well, it gets blindly voted in because a lot of folks don't really care who the sound designer was and will not go sifting through the ream of end credits to verify it. They figure if you went through the trouble of adding it, then it's probably right. The exact same thing will happen for open credits. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Midnit:
Everybody misses a very important point, the tools are NOT in place. IF, and I am NOT that hardcore user, yes I can use Custom Roles for my own local but I cannot share that data via Contribution. You(generic) keep saying the same thing and I keep shooting it down. Somebody answer it, the Tools are NOT in place...at this time On top of that if I use Custom Roles I cannot easily accept an update as my data gets obliterated. So, agin IF I am that hardcore user you are presenting facts which simply are not factual and you make it HARDER for me to use the Program and to share my data with others who share my interests. Ibelieve that EVERY use, not just the majority, should be able to make FULL and Complete use of the program and its data.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Midnit:
Everybody misses a very important point, the tools are NOT in place. IF, and I am NOT that hardcore user, yes I can use Custom Roles for my own local but I cannot share that data via Contribution. You(generic) keep saying the same thing and I keep shooting it down. Somebody answer it, the Tools are NOT in place...at this time On top of that if I use Custom Roles I cannot easily accept an update as my data gets obliterated. So, agin IF I am that hardcore user you are presenting facts which simply are not factual and you make it HARDER for me to use the Program and to share my data with others who share my interests. Ibelieve that EVERY use, not just the majority, should be able to make FULL and Complete use of the program and its data.
Skip I think the point is that there is no sharing of data that goes above and beyond. In that sense you're right, you wouldn't be able to share your data...by design. The bottom line is that nobody is going to know if your data is any good without doing their own verification anyway. At that point they could have just done it themselves. We've already got years of proof that the voters aren't going to bother checking it. They won't check the crew categories we have now. Opening up the credits even further will just compound that problem. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Those points, I understand completely and am at the base opposed to Open Creds...unless someone can come up with soemthing that is viable and I have been trying for a LONG time. So as much as I don't like the Open Creds, on a personal basis, on balance for the larger Community and to stop the petty bickering in the Forums and the pontification of some it's the only thing I can come up with.
Please don't think I haven't weighed the cost to me, personally, in terms of voting and processing updates etc. I have but I am looking at a much larger picture, and it frustrates me that I can find something which will achieve the objective that i haven't been able to poke holes in. I want an epiphany moment.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, if you wish to try and come up with something...anybody? Don't be surprised if I pop the bubble, I have probably already had the fight with myself. But if somebody can give an epiphany moment...you'll know it.  I'll stand on my soapbox and shout EUREKA!!!! He found it. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
And i would argue that you settle on the side of the hardcore user.
Skip Unfortunately, it is that attitude that ends up killing lots of good software. When you bow to the whims of the hardcore user, the average user moves to a simpler solution. I have seen it more times than I can count. Oh, and there is not going to be an epiphany moment. The best we can hope for is a "That'll do, pig. That'll do." moment. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Jubal:
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And i would argue that you settle on the side of the hardcore user.
Skip
Unfortunately, it is that attitude that ends up killing lots of good software. When you bow to the whims of the hardcore user, the average user moves to a simpler solution. I have seen it more times than I can count. Fortunately Ken is (or at least was) in agreement. Excerpt from Ken Cole (near the bottom of this page): Quote:
I will say that there's no way this database will ever be perfect to everyone's definition, nor do any of us really want that. A system designed to track every nuance completely correctly would be cumbersome in the extreme.
DVD Profiler must walk a fine line between enough accuracy to keep one side of the aisle happy while maintaining ease of use and entry to keep the other, generally somewhat silent and large majority happy. My development experience is not trivial, and I've been forced to design systems where one person's concept of accuracy has driven the project into the ground, completely unusable to the end users. I don't plan to make that mistake here.  Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Oh, and there is not going to be an epiphany moment. The best we can hope for is a "That'll do, pig. That'll do." moment. If only it were as easy as Baa-ram-ewe  |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Completely agree with Unicus (and Ken) here. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Jubal:
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And i would argue that you settle on the side of the hardcore user.
Skip
Unfortunately, it is that attitude that ends up killing lots of good software. Very much agreed! Luckily, as lyonsden5 pointed out, Ken always seems very well aware of that danger. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for all the input (before it went off topic...). I will vote No if I see such contributions again. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Thanks for all the input (before it went off topic...). I will vote No if I see such contributions again. Off topic? Us? Never!  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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