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| Registered: March 16, 2007 |  Posts: 68 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The cat pic thread is safe - we're talking about off-topic posts only. The moderators will attempt to bring the discussion back in line and only remove posts when necessary.
Note that you are extremely unlikely to see any account restriction due to off-topic posting. sounds good  Lets hope it works and everyone gets on in perfect harmony....  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 20,111 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow! spend the day away (was at hospital with my mother... transfusion) and I come back to all kinds of changes!  | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 671 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Wow! spend the day away (was at hospital with my mother... transfusion) and I come back to all kinds of changes! Tell me about it... But this kind of change is fine as I see it, as it is a change for the better!  | | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,339 |
| | Posted: | | | | this is a good change... glad to see political and religion gone... though I agree off topic should not be bad unless aggressive... | | | | -JoN |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 81 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am aware of the fact that every forum needs some form of moderation but the way i see it done here gives me a strange feeling. Banned topics, hidden moderators?? Sure this is a forum that is about a software product and you can try in regard to that, to keep all posts inline, but if you are going to follow that line, then there is no need for a General Discussion forum. You either give people a chance to express themselves on other matters then Profiler itself or you don't. Banning certain topics is like deciding yourself which part of "freedom of speech" is allowed, which i think is kinda weird. With measures like this there will only be place for "no brain" funny cat topics (not that i don't like those  ) that have a very low chance of provoking a reply or post that might be not so friendly. That way you are going towards a "fear for the unwelcome post" driven forum taking away a great deal of the pleasure people have in posting, thinking about topics, forming their answers etc. I agree that certain posts that are insulting or even worse need to be taken care of and the posters need to suffer the consequences and that exactly what needs to be done here. The Majority of the people here are descent folk which want to discuss whatever they want in a civil matter. The few behaving out of line are the ones that need to be taken care off. Remove the few bad apples permanently, and do not let the other users suffer the consequences. | | |
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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: 'WOW What a Ride!!! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | I 100% agree with this trial.
It's also nice to see nasty posts being removed.
I vote to keep this in place forever!! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just a quick 'me too' - agree totally with the idea of moderators. Other forums have these (and no - the rules as set out are not too restrictive). Other forums will very quickly ban you for life..  | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well said Gendji. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gendji: Quote:
Banning certain topics is like deciding yourself which part of "freedom of speech" is allowed, which i think is kinda weird. Keep in mind that this is a privately owned site. As such, we have no free speech. We have what the site owner allows. And he's decided to ban certain topics. There are other sites I belong to which ban those same topics. This certainly isn't an uncommon approach in my experience. If we had a separate area to discuss religion and politics, and people were able to behave and leave any bad feelings towards other users in those areas, I'd be for it. But we've proven as a group far too many times that we're unable to leave those emotions in those threads and they do spill out into other areas very quickly. So I think Ken made the right decision. Because this is a site to support his software before anything else. If something gets in the way of supporting the software, it should go. So I blame the users for this decision, not Ken. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Keep in mind that this is a privately owned site. As such, we have no free speech. We have what the site owner allows. And he's decided to ban certain topics. There are other sites I belong to which ban those same topics. This certainly isn't an uncommon approach in my experience. The problem I see is that we've simply gone from one extreme, where anything was allowed, to the other, where only 'happy, happy, joy, joy' things are allowed. With live moderators, somewhere in the middle would have been fine. JMHO As to the rest, I can't figure out a way to express what I want to say without somebody getting offended so I will just let it be.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The problem I see is that we've simply gone from one extreme, where anything was allowed, to the other, where only 'happy, happy, joy, joy' things are allowed. With live moderators, somewhere in the middle would have been fine. JMHO Maybe since we can't seem to behave, it's not a bad thing to be over restrictive to get everyone back in line. Perhaps in time things can be loosened up a bit. At the same time, we should judge the new system on how it's actually working rather than how Ken is describing it. I've not been paying attention, but is that stuff in the middle actually being moderated or are they just going after the big stuff? | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Mark Harrison:
Quote:
Keep in mind that this is a privately owned site. As such, we have no free speech. We have what the site owner allows. And he's decided to ban certain topics. There are other sites I belong to which ban those same topics. This certainly isn't an uncommon approach in my experience.
The problem I see is that we've simply gone from one extreme, where anything was allowed, to the other, where only 'happy, happy, joy, joy' things are allowed. With live moderators, somewhere in the middle would have been fine. JMHO
As to the rest, I can't figure out a way to express what I want to say without somebody getting offended so I will just let it be. I really don't see what the problem is. Personally the first thing I did was to check if any of my posts had been removed; which would indicate what sort of thing is now unacceptable. Then just avoid those things in the future. If the people who have been accused of being bullies refrain from posting it's simply going to reinforce that opinion. I think everyone should carry on as before - the moderators will soon let us know if we're out of line. You certainly don't have anything to worry about, Unicus - in my experience your posts are always civil and inoffensive (if not always to my way of thinking ) | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
I really don't see what the problem is.
Personally the first thing I did was to check if any of my posts had been removed; which would indicate what sort of thing is now unacceptable. Then just avoid those things in the future.
If the people who have been accused of being bullies refrain from posting it's simply going to reinforce that opinion. I think everyone should carry on as before - the moderators will soon let us know if we're out of line.
You certainly don't have anything to worry about, Unicus - in my experience your posts are always civil and inoffensive (if not always to my way of thinking ) Exactly, the vast majority of users wont really see any difference. It's only 2 types of threads which don't even happen that often that are banned & only a relatively small percentage of posts that could be moderated. For everyone else it should be business as usual. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Maybe since we can't seem to behave, it's not a bad thing to be over restrictive to get everyone back in line. Perhaps in time things can be loosened up a bit. Please don't misunderstand, I am willing to see how things go. I am just making an observation and adding my opinion...perhaps I shouldn't have used the word 'problem'. Quote:
At the same time, we should judge the new system on how it's actually working rather than how Ken is describing it. I've not been paying attention, but is that stuff in the middle actually being moderated or are they just going after the big stuff? As I said in a previous post, I am willing to see how things go. And, yes, some of that stuff is being moderated as we were urged to 'get back on topic' in another thread. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | One thing I hope for, and should (or at least could) grow out of this trial, is a reasonable set of rules. These should be clear and easily understood, but not so precise as to encourage attitudes of "my post/thread follows the rules exactly, what's the problem?" The moderators will have a difficult job with reasonable rules, but an impossible one either without guidelines or with rigid unyielding rules. Moderators will make errors, we must accept their humanity, but the rest of us need to know what is forbidden, what might be questionable, and what is lolcat safe. Punishments ought to fit the crime -- a single offense, no matter how egregious, should not ban a user for long, but a repeat offender who shows little remorse ought to lose many (all?) forum privileges.
One concern I have is with the "urging" of users to stay on topic. Many of the best discussions have grown out of marvelously highjacked threads... Staying "on topic" can be a dreadful bore.
Just my two cents, and worth far less... | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff | | | | Last edited: by VibroCount |
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