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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again: there's only ONE CREDIT for "Dominique Mac'Avoy". She is, erroneously, credited as such only once in her entire career - that sole credit is NOT the "most-credited form", and as such, it is NOT her common name. Come on, Giga, surely you know better than this?  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
And i don't appreciate your no vote on:
@1:40:48 Gerardo Albarran (collateral damage)
"Gerardo Albarrán" is credited in the following 22 titles (45 profiles) (- 32 collateral Damage)
"Gerardo Albarran" is credited in the following 4 titles (7 profiles)<= (+ 32 collateral Damage)
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Gerardo Albarrán is the common name (22/4 according to CLT). Although this remark wasn't aimed at me (I hadn't voted on that yet), it seems that a "no"-vote does indeed seem to be warranted again: going by the CLT results, he's credited WITHOUT the accent in one title, and WITH the accent in several titles. So unless you can prove the credits in those other titles are wrong, "Gerardo Albarrán" is the common name, whether you appreciate that or not... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
common name for DVD Profiler is decided by CLT by the credits. Yes. Using the CLT, we have found out that she has five credits in the DVD Profiler database. Only in one of those is she credited as "Dominique Mac'Avoy". One out of five is NOT "the most commonly credited name" (from Ken's quote you keep referring to), so it's NOT the common name. It has nothing to do with "other sources, including autographs" - I don't see why you bolded that. It's all straigt from the CLT. This is really not that hard...  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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common name for DVD Profiler is decided by CLT by the credits.
Yes. Using the CLT, we have found out that she has five credits in the DVD Profiler database. Only in one of those is she credited as "Dominique Mac'Avoy". One out of five is NOT "the most commonly credited name" (from Ken's quote you keep referring to), so it's NOT the common name. It has nothing to do with "other sources, including autographs" - I don't see why you bolded that. It's all straigt from the CLT. This is really not that hard...
fourtythree profiles out of eight profiles says Dominique Mac'Avoy Actually, only six profiles say "Dominique Mac'Avoy", but I agree that a lot of 'Chocolat' credits still need to be fixed. That doesn't change the fact that it's only one title, though: "the most commonly credited name" refers to the number of different titles, obviously, rather than the number of profiles. Again, only one out of her five credits in the database is as "Dominique Mac'Avoy", so that is NOT "the most commonly credited name", so it's NOT the common name. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | And you cannot assume that a film is credited the same the world over. While not the usual practice, it's not unheard of for the credits to be different in different locales. So while it's probably likely that those other CHOCOLAT credits are in error, you need to have someone look at those discs and check to be certain.
I know I have a number of DVDs of the same movie from different regions with entirely different actors credited, sometimes using pseudonyms, sometimes not, sometimes crediting no one after the top couple actors whereas in the original country the cast list is quite lengthy. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
that is what you are making of it: titles and this is not implied by the rules. Titles are not implied by the rules either. So it is open to interpretation. Without guidance from on high either POV might be valid. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
this is not implied by the rules. so the no votes are not valid. For what it's worth: to me it IS implied. That is what "the most commonly credited name" means - it's the only thing it CAN mean, IMHO. Anyway, like so many things we've been around this block many times before. Countless threads, polls even. A healthy majority has favored the number of titles every time - and rightly so. I do agree with you that the rules are in desperate need of, shall we say, finetuning. Currently they don't even mention that we're merely after the most-credited form: we keep having to refer people to that old forum post by Ken where he states that. These very basic premises really need to be addressed in the rules. To me, it's obvious what Ken meant with "the most commonly credited name", and one out of five credits decidedly does NOT ring "most-credited" to me. You're entitled to your opinion, but claiming the no-votes are not valid is quite something else. I feel those no-votes are perfectly valid, and since hardly anyone is voting in favor of your update, apparently I'm not alone. In short: "Dominique MacAvoy" is certainly the common name by a huge landslide when you look at the CURRENT CLT results - especially when you follow gardibolt's stance that you can't automatically assume that those other 'Chocolat' profiles are all incorrect. Even if you do assume as much, then it's still just the ONE film in the database in which she is credited as such. Of course you can keep insisting that all those voting against your update have it wrong, but maybe, just maybe, you might consider the opposite... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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that is what you are making of it: titles and this is not implied by the rules.
Titles are not implied by the rules either. So it is open to interpretation. Without guidance from on high either POV might be valid. Until the rule is clarified to indicate whether we should consider the number of titles or the number of profiles we're going to have these disputes. As far as Dominique MacAvoy goes, whether you count titles (8 vs. 3) or profiles (43 vs. 6), MacAvoy is more common than Mac'Avoy in the CLT so I can't comprehend why anyone would say the Mac'Avoy should be the common name. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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this is not implied by the rules. so the no votes are not valid.
For what it's worth: to me it IS implied. That is what "the most commonly credited name" means - it's the only thing it CAN mean, IMHO. Anyway, like so many things we've been around this block many times before. Countless threads, polls even. A healthy majority has favored the number of titles every time - and rightly so. I do agree with you that the rules are in desperate need of, shall we say, finetuning. Currently they don't even mention that we're merely after the most-credited form: we keep having to refer people to that old forum post by Ken where he states that. These very basic premises really need to be addressed in the rules.
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I don't know if it is implied by the rules, but personally I agree that titles trump profiles, because two movies seem to me more relevant than two releases of the same movie. Anyway, yes, Ken's ruling would be most welcome. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
You say so because you keep referring to the 43 profiles listed for Mac'avoy while they ALL refer to the same movie: Chocolat. In terms of TITLE count, that variant is the worst choice of the available three.
the rules dictate that you use MacAvoy or Mac Avoy as name and Mac'avoy should be entered in the 'Credited As' field. I thereby assume the rules mean to say titlecount and not profilecount as I explained above. Unfortunately, the rules do not dictate that. The rules simply tell us to use the CLT. They give no weight to either number. While the number you have chosen may make perfect sense to you, it is not something that can be found in the rules.. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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that is what you are making of it: titles and this is not implied by the rules.
Titles are not implied by the rules either. So it is open to interpretation. Without guidance from on high either POV might be valid. Finally, someone who seems to understand. All this back and forth means nothing as it is all based on how you interpret the data. What we have here are two sided of the same coin, each ignoring the peice of data they want to ignore. One side wants to ignore 'titles' while the other wants to ignore 'profiles'. My question is this...if we were meant to ignore one in favor of the other, why were we given both? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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