Quoting Beastus:

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And sometimes there may not be a lot of sources for some information. I see no problem in using IMDB in addition to other sources, or even IMDB if that's the only source available. But I'm going to start a fight over this. I usually just contribute cover art, and adds release date and technical information if missing. Having over 6000 profiles, I choose to prioritize what I think is most important.

  IMDb can be used, in conjunction with other sources, as reference material.  It can not be used as a sole source as it violates IMDb's Terms of Use policy.  Living in Norway, you have the luxury of seeing no problem with copying data from IMDb.  Ken, on the other hand, lives in the U.S. so has a very big problem.

I like this program and would hate to see it go bankrupt because some user decided that he saw no problems with IMDb's rights under U.S. copyright laws. 

I'm new here as well, and I'm learning.  And quite honestly, when I have made a mistake -- however minor the error -- I would rather receive a no vote with constructive comments, than a yes vote from a person who hasn't taken the time to thoroughly review my contribution. 

And when I review the contributions of others, I look hard to find a valid reason to vote "no."  I want my yes votes to mean something.  I appreciate the efforts of others who do the same.

Love this place.

KC

Quoting Beastus:

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But I do agree on some things. Just noticed today on a profile where someone had added the media publisher. Most voted yes, but 2 voted no stating sources where needed. If you want a source, look at the back of your DVD or the back cover in DVDProfiler. "No votes" should only be used for false data and not for demanding sources for information clearly stated on the cover.

It may be on the cover but as I have already said, when making a contribution it clearly states to give sources for all changes. This isn't done to be difficult, it's so if the contribution notes are ever reviewed we (either us as users or Invelos) can immediately & clearly see how a user came to that result.

Quoting KCJammer:

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I'm new here as well, and I'm learning.  And quite honestly, when I have made a mistake -- however minor the error -- I would rather receive a no vote with constructive comments, than a yes vote from a person who hasn't taken the time to thoroughly review my contribution. 

And when I review the contributions of others, I look hard to find a valid reason to vote "no."  I want my yes votes to mean something.  I appreciate the efforts of others who do the same.

Love this place.

KC

Well put & fully agreed. Thanks!

Quoting Beastus:

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I see your point regarding copyright issues, but I was more thinking on how to decide e.g. country of origin on a movie if there's few sources. I'm not that familiar with IMDB's Terms of Use, but are you telling me that if someone here went to IMDB to determine if a movie is a US or UK production, it would violate IMDB's Terms of Use policy if it were contributed to Invelos' database?

Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case though.

I don't know if that case would violate their Terms of Use.  I wouldn't think so, but I think it better to be safe than sorry.

For CoO, your best source is the production company itself.  FInd out where they are based and that should be enough.  Take The Lord of the Rings as an example.  While New Line put up the money, most of the production work was done by WingNut Films.  WingNut is based in New Zealand, so the CoO is New Zealand.

If you are ever unsure, don't be afraid to ask in the Contribution forum.  Despite opinions to the contrary, you will find that the vast majority of users will be more than happy to help you out...and that was a 'general' you, not you specifically. 

Zod.

Schultzy:

Ummm, if the runtime on the cover does not match the runtime on the disc, then the cover is WRONG. It's the way Profiler works. The credits are part of the film, sometimes they also include Runtimes of all the varous Features, which we do not include, we use the data from the DISC.

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I know what goes in the database.  I was just trying to clarify for some why there may be a difference between run time on the cover and run time of the disc.  One distributor may list the time with the credits, one without credits, one may be based on an original cut and then the DVD release used a different cut and they didn't want to spend the money to redo the covers.  Maybe they are on this forum and are looking for new ways to make us pull out our hair.

Seriously! The running time of a film is from the credits/film starts to credits/film ends! 

No way do the cover run time ever represent the "actual film run-time" itself (without credits).

Why the covers are so often wrong is beyond me, but they are, and the running time should therefore IMHO only be taken from the disc itself.