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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
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That lead most of us to believe that it was simply a new field for the data, that we left out of the studio field, when there wasn't room.

If it were simply a matter of not having enough room for the data, the easier solution would have been to do as Skip mentioned elsewhere:  increase the number of slots in the studios field.  How often have we heard someone say that Company X "isn't a studio, so it doesn't belong in that field."  I thought one of the things we were asking for (at lieast it was true in my case) was a field where we COULD enter those companies that "aren't studios."
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That lead most of us to believe that it was simply a new field for the data, that we left out of the studio field, when there wasn't room.

If it were simply a matter of not having enough room for the data, the easier solution would have been to do as Skip mentioned elsewhere:  increase the number of slots in the studios field.  How often have we heard someone say that Company X "isn't a studio, so it doesn't belong in that field."  I thought one of the things we were asking for (at lieast it was true in my case) was a field where we COULD enter those companies that "aren't studios."


My recollection is similar to yours, though I recall two reasons for wanting the new field.  1st, because the 'if there is room' portion of the rule meant that the company responsible for the actual DVD release, was often left out.  2nd, because that company wasn't really a 'studio' in the same sense as the Theatrical Release and Production Studios were.  I believe we are saying the same thing, just differently.

What caused the confusion, and the resulting 'debate', was the original name for the field.  Ken has now settled on a name and we should all just let it go and deal with what we have.
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That's the point Patsa, we had a Distributor field. But that wasn't good enough and they weren't interested in ANY compromise. They simply wanted to wreck data which at least half the coimmunity understood and wanted.

A compromise was found in the rules forum. The arguing parties did that in a mostly friendly and respectful manner while ignoring your fuming and your attempts to derail the discussion.

There was NO compromise that was reached, mahias, NONE at all.

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All along I thought we were going to have a new field to track what was important to me.  Now it appears that people, many of whom were silent about requesting a new field, think that the new field that Ken set up belongs to them and I'm supposed to be a good soldier and wait even longer.


Oops, I didn't realize the field belonged to you. I guess the rest of us can go along now, nothing to see here.

No, I never thought the field belonged to me.  But tone of your response reflects precisely the way I felt when people jumped right in and told me what I wanted wasn't important and wasn't what the field was set up for.  It works both ways, after all.


Well said Ptasa amd merely illusttrates my point that there was no compromise that was reached. It was reacged only in the mionds of those who favored it.

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Mainly a question for Skip, but also for the rest that feels the same way; Is the problem the field itself or the term "publisher"? If you think merely distributor, that would make Ryko the distributor for Blue Underground, Synapse, NoShame etc. The way I see it, that's not really interesting, as that's just the company that ships and distributes the product. Then we're missing the most important studio information, the studio that's actually releasing the DVD we're profiling.

If it's just the term "publisher", then it's not a big deal. That can easily be changed and won't affect contributions.
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Beastus:

There are a number of different factors involved in my objection to this. In no particular order of importance.

1) The vote was split and half of the vote was totally ignored along with the expense of thousands of man-hours data to get the data to where it is NOW. I have better things to do with my time, believe it or not to edit and re-edit on whim.

2) I understood the point of the users that wanted the "PUBLISHER" data, and suggested how it should be handled WITHOUT the issues caused in the above point, but despite there claims tro the contrary, COMPROMISE was not what they wanted nor did they show any concern for the labor already expended.

3) I think the claim 5relative to the use of "publication" in film credits, given that save for ONE website that mentions itself as a publisher, there is no usage of this term on ANY package of ANY film or TV Series.. So I think that is pretty thin at best, but a good effort.

There are many more but these are the high points. Am I angry...you betcha I am. I have spent too much time , personally, and have watched too many users expend their time as well trying to handle this issue and to have that work, ignored and cast aside, yes I am highly offended and do not unfderstand Ken's logic AT ALL. I know that the signal being sent is not very positive at all.

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Mainly a question for Skip, but also for the rest that feels the same way; Is the problem the field itself or the term "publisher"? If you think merely distributor, that would make Ryko the distributor for Blue Underground, Synapse, NoShame etc. The way I see it, that's not really interesting, as that's just the company that ships and distributes the product. Then we're missing the most important studio information, the studio that's actually releasing the DVD we're profiling.

If it's just the term "publisher", then it's not a big deal. That can easily be changed and won't affect contributions.


Ken has explained here why he has chosen the term "Publisher".

While I was on the "producer" side of the argument as to what info should be put into the new field (i.e. agreeing with you), I wouldn't have minded if the field name "Media Distributor" had been kept.

The problem with that approach was that even those who wanted to record the "producer" information felt that calling the field "Media Distributor" would require to always enter the distributor, even in cases where distribution was the only task that company performed for a specific title.

Personally, I think that a better way to handle it would have have been to keep the field name as "Media Distributor" and to adjust the rules to have a provision for cases where the production company should take precedence over the actual distributor. For example: If the distributor has no other involvement with a title than the distribution itself, and if a single production company can be identified and documented, enter the name of the production company. Otherwise enter the distribution company.

But that is just my opinion. And since both arguing parties found the term "Publisher" acceptable, Ken choose to go with it.

That was the compromise found in the rules forum. skipnet50's continuous claim there was no compromise is simply untrue. He was left out of that compromise, because both arguing parties choose a constructive approach and didn't find his posts helpful towards finding an agreement.
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