The SAME questions could be directed at you, Nadja. But I do have one thing you don't have and that provides me with the additional knowledge that you do not wish to recognize. The Rules are very clear and all you have to do is follow them and stop trying to impose your will on the database. Unicus is correct as is Dragon per the Rules...they are not correct to how you want it done and that my friend is simply too bad, but we do it profiler's way not nadja's way.

It is not my desire to argue with you or anyone else, I weigheds in with my opinion based on my knowledghe and background of the rules which are clear. You respond with insinuations of being a spoeksperson, which essentially says that i am NOT allowed to weigh in. You had absolutely no participation in the Rules process, design or writing, and this not the first time you have tried to twist them and i am certain it will not be the last, and the next time you get called on it again you will get ummmmm unfriendly again. Oh well. c'est la vie.

Skip <shrugs>

Title
Use the title from the front cover.

    * Never add distinguishing factors to the title (such as "Widescreen" or "Special Edition"). Use the Edition field for these.
    * Check capitalization of the title.
    * Do not include quotes if they surround the entire title.
    * Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title.
    * Possessive examples: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", John Carpenter's "The Thing". In each case, the portion within quotes is the title.
    * For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title. "Lord of the Rings" is correctly capitalized. "Lord Of The Rings" is not. "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not.
          o For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not
          o If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).
          o Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.
          o For music and stage performance DVDs, use the performer or group name followed by the DVD title, separated with a colon and space. For example: "U2: Rattle and Hum", "Ellen Degeneres: The Begining".
          o Annual DVDs such WWE or NFL Films titles if the year is included it is part of the title and should not be included in the Descriptor field. For Example Title: Year.
          o The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the Front Cover; for example Alien Quadrilogy.

That is very clear, Nadja and there is no provision allowed for any extraneous outside data sources. As north noted we aren't worrying about the name of the movie but the name of the DVD. And that answer based on the Rules is absolutely clear.

Skip

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Edit: and how about you quit the personal insults Skip? Nadja has a different opinion, that's all. Or were you twisting things when you refused to accept Sandra Bullock [Ida Flammenbaum] as Herself?

To be fair, Nadja did poke the bear with his last sentence:  "Who's "WE", Skip? Yesterday everyone is the "thought police" and today you stand as spokesperson?"

You can't do that and expect the bear to let it go.  Nadja opened the door and Skip stepped right through it. 

Quoting Nadja:

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although most places seem to regard the
MySpace as being the official site, which has in the middle "Step Up 2 the Streets is the smash hit sequel blah blah blah overrated tripe".

I went to this site and it does say, "Step Up 2 the Streets is the smash hit sequel to Step Up..."  But what is the headline right above that text?  "STEP UP 2 ON DVD JULY 23."

In addition:
The MySpace name is "stepup2".
They are advertising a free "Step Up 2" wristband when you buy "Step Up 2" at Target.
Every video on the site is titled, "Step Up 2 Something."  IE, 'Step up 2 Nacho Promo" or "Step Up 2 Dance Promo."

If this is the site that most places seem to regard as being the'official' site, your assertion that, "the title is presented as "step up 2 the streets" in every official source I can find," simply isn't true.  They seem to refer to it ast "Step Up 2" more often than not. 

Quoting Nadja:

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You're welcome to let Skip speak on your behalf. I'm not going to stand by and let him. But then I don't think that's what you were saying.

I am not speaking for Skip.  I was simply pointing out, in the interest of fairness, that his insults didn't come 'out of the blue'.  I don't believe I am more intuitive than the next guy, but I knew there was a chance Skip was going to bite back as soon as I read it.

Quoting skipnet50:

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WE do NOT use the back cover for that purpose. Just as with any other such film Step Up 2: The Streets. I agree completely with unicus.

If there's a question about how to convert stacked graphical text from a front cover to the text we need for DVD Profiler, it's certainly relevant that the back cover lists the title twice without the colon and never with the colon.

This is not unlike Die Hard With a Vengeance. On the blu-ray cover, for example, you'll see the title of the 2nd film listed as Die Hard 2: Die Harder, with the colon ("Die Hard 2:" in gray, "Die Harder in black), whereas the title of the third film is Die Hard With a Vengeance. "Die Hard" is gray and "With a Vengeance" is black. On my DVD copy, it's "Die Hard" in a large red font while "With a Vengeance" is in a smaller black font. Consulting the back cover, one sees Die Hard With a Vengeance, no colon, in two places. It's very similar to this example.

If the filmmakers list the title as "Step Up 2 The Streets" on the back cover multiple times without the colon, it seems wrong to me for us to declare "The Streets" to be only an episode descriptor and then insert a colon.

One of your frequent arguments is to not insert data that isn't there. I would have expected to see on you the side of this argument that does not insert the colon that even the filmmakers don't use.

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I know I'm a newbe but IMDb list it as Step Up 2: The Streets. Hopefully I won't be chastized for saying this. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1023481/

You mentioned the four-lettered word! I hope you're wearing a flame-retardant suit...   

Quoting northbloke:

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Quoting Papa:

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I know I'm a newbe but IMDb list it as Step Up 2: The Streets. Hopefully I won't be chastized for saying this. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1023481/

You mentioned the four-lettered word! I hope you're wearing a flame-retardant suit...   

OK Sorry, I'll stay out of it.