Quoting skipnet50:

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Let's not pretend that you have any idea what you are talking about, though I will grant you the 24 Bonus Discs since they involve te whole set.

I should have know better than to try and engage you in a rational discussion. My logic is precisely the same as Unicus'. Not my fault you don't get that.

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Why is 24 different to any other TV show on DVD? And at no point did Unicus claim that any bonus disc was more valid than any other because it is in a keep case. And come to think of it, what part of your conduct here was rational?

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Quoting Unicus69:

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You are correct, that is what the rules say.  Under standard Contribution Rules, we do not profile the bonus disc.  As I said, and you have yet to address, the only place the rules talk about profiling bonus discs is in the Box Set portion of the rules.

But you're looking at a TV set as a whole, which is not what we process at disc level. At the parent level a season set is a whole entity, and bonus features are incorporated into the profile as with a single multi-disc movie release. At disc level, we treat each disc of episodes as a "main feature" all of its own. Each child profile pertains ONLY to that disc; the running time is accumulated from those episode, the production year only applies to those episodes (even if other discs are from the next/previous year), and bonus features on that disc go only in that profile, therefore it's treated exactly the same as an individual movie.

Again, you are mixing and matching rules.

For movie box sets, we are REQUIRED to make individual profiles.  We are not required to do that for TV sets.  If you do create child profiles for TV sets, you are required to do so using standard rules.  Those rules do not allow for profiling the bonus disc.

For Movie Box Sets, we profile a bonus disc ONLY if it applies to every film in the set.  There is no such provision for TV sets.  I am sorry, but you can't get around that.  Your claim that creating child profiles, somehow, turns these into 'movie box sets' is not supported by the rules.  It is supported only by your opinion.

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A bonus disc of materials will most likely apply to the season as a whole, and thus all the other "main feature" discs, matching perfectly with the template for a multi-movie box set with bonus disc, such as the Indiana Jones example Skip attempted to shoehorn in. To claim otherwise makes absolutely no sense; the way you're describing it does not fit into any of the standard rules.

I am sorry, but creating child profiles does not make each disc a main feature.  That is something that you have come up with and is nowhere in the rules.  If it is, I missed it, so please be so kind as to point it out.

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Take one of the LOTR:EE sets, for example, or the extended PJ King Kong. These sets have the movie over the first two discs, and then extras on third (and fourth). There is no way that there would be a child profile for each half of the movie, with no child for the bonus discs, it is all kept in a parent and that is that. Quite right, and well-established.

And your point is what?  Neither of these is a Box Set so they must be profiled using standard rules.  Those rules do not allow for the profiling of the second or bonus disc.

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But if that is standard rules behaviour, which I'm sure we'll agree it is, then that's the same template that has to be applied to the TV set releases; one main feature over multiple discs, plus bonus disc(s). If you're going to split the "main feature" of a TV set up, that is only valid if each part of the main feature is, at disc level, considered to be a main feature of its own. Otherwise it would be the same as a chlid profile for half of a LOTR:EE movie, in this example. The fact that TV sets DO split up the episodes into child profiles means that you're not looking at the same situation as a multi-disc set for a single movie. Therefore it can ONLY match multi-movie box set standard rules, and thus allow child profiles for the bonus discs.

Again, you are making assumptions that are not covered by the rules.  You are acting like TV sets have to be split into child profiles, but they don't.  A TV set is a single entity that can be split up, for convenience sake, and has it's own set of rules.  Those rule say nothing about using 'box set' rules...which is what you are claiming.

Again, JMHO.

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Quoting eagle61397:

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Here is a cool tool for adding time. I wish I had this when I had to work on my back-timing (went to school for broadcasting).

Thx, but I carved me a simple yet effective tool that supports my lazyness. It accepts ":", "," and "." as time seperator but interprets them as ":". That means I can enter all times on the number pad and 24.4 translates into 24m 04s, 1.2.3 into 01h 02m 03s.

When I went to see what that cool tool Eagle mentioned I was surprised to see that they were actually begging for "contributions" for a tool that would save someone what, 30 seconds to convert from 0:00:00 to 0.0000?  You'd still have to add up 22 sets of times before you enter the data into the "tool" so what have you saved?

Open Letter to the creator of this "tool": I don't think you're showing a lot nerve asking for a contribution. 

Apart from of course, unless I'm mistaken, Nadja's one of those lady-types, so where you say "he" you mean "she". 

Quoting Unicus69:

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Again, you are mixing and matching rules.

For movie box sets, we are REQUIRED to make individual profiles.  We are not required to do that for TV sets.  If you do create child profiles for TV sets, you are required to do so using standard rules.  Those rules do not allow for profiling the bonus disc.

For Movie Box Sets, we profile a bonus disc ONLY if it applies to every film in the set.  There is no such provision for TV sets.  I am sorry, but you can't get around that.  Your claim that creating child profiles, somehow, turns these into 'movie box sets' is not supported by the rules.  It is supported only by your opinion

I am sorry, but creating child profiles does not make each disc a main feature.  That is something that you have come up with and is nowhere in the rules.  If it is, I missed it, so please be so kind as to point it out.

Child profiles ONLY exist for multi-movie box sets. I really don't understand how you can classify TV children in a completely new fashion, that is CERTAINLY not in the rules.

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And your point is what?  Neither of these is a Box Set so they must be profiled using standard rules.  Those rules do not allow for the profiling of the second or bonus disc.

This is my point exactly. Neither of those ARE box sets, but it's the same situation as with a TV season; main feature over multiple discs, then extras on a separate disc. If this were a single movie, then there would be no child profiles, on that we agree. And this is exactly how TV profiles used to be, but no longer are. Now we have child profiles which no longer follow the same template of the above example, and all we are left with is the model of the multiple-movie box set, albeit without removing data from the parent. So I can see how you might argue that it still could be treated as a single feature, even over multiple profiles; what I do not see, and this answer has NOT been provided, is where in the rules this even fits, let alone is explicitly specified.

TV child profiles are there for people who like to profile their sets at both levels, OR for those who profile only at child-profile level. And it's for them you'd be denying that last disc. Which is inconsistent and nowhere, no matter how much you try to liken it to single-movie/multiple-disc sets, does it say to exclude a whole disc of content entirely; even a bonus CD would rate a mention in "other features". In the SM-MD example, or TV season parent, it all just goes into the same profile, but it's daft to have it disappear entirely at disc-level. This is inconsistent and needlessly limiting. Long story short, TV season profiles no longer exclusively resemble single or multiple movie box templates at disc level, hence the debate.

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Again, you are making assumptions that are not covered by the rules.  You are acting like TV sets have to be split into child profiles, but they don't.  A TV set is a single entity that can be split up, for convenience sake, and has it's own set of rules.  Those rule say nothing about using 'box set' rules...which is what you are claiming.

Again, JMHO.

No-one is saying TV sets have to be split into child profiles, please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think there's any confusion over TV season parents so I've not been bringing them up. Or is that not what you're saying? The hypotheticals (or indeed actuals) of what we're dealing with here address a case where child profiles ARE in effect so that's all we're discussing. As I said just above, and I'll certainly grant you that both positions can be controverted, there still exists the fact that almost every TV set I've seen child profiles submitted for includes a bonus disc child profile where applicable, whether or not those submitters are here throwing in their two cents.

And I am male btw, "Nadja" is a contraction of my full name. Dun worry 'bout the mixup.

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Child profiles ONLY exist for multi-movie box sets. I really don't understand how you can classify TV children in a completely new fashion, that is CERTAINLY not in the rules.

No, child profiles also exist for TV sets...they are even mentioned in the rules for TV series.  The difference is, one is required, the other is optional.

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This is my point exactly. Neither of those ARE box sets, but it's the same situation as with a TV season; main feature over multiple discs, then extras on a separate disc. If this were a single movie, then there would be no child profiles, on that we agree. And this is exactly how TV profiles used to be, but no longer are. Now we have child profiles which no longer follow the same template of the above example, and all we are left with is the model of the multiple-movie box set, albeit without removing data from the parent. So I can see how you might argue that it still could be treated as a single feature, even over multiple profiles; what I do not see, and this answer has NOT been provided, is where in the rules this even fits, let alone is explicitly specified.

They are different because they are under two different sections of the rules.  One set of rules for Movie Box Sets and another set for TV series.  Under one set of rules, bonus disc profiles are allowed...if they cover all films in the set.  Under the other set of rules, they are not.

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TV child profiles are there for people who like to profile their sets at both levels, OR for those who profile only at child-profile level. And it's for them you'd be denying that last disc. Which is inconsistent and nowhere, no matter how much you try to liken it to single-movie/multiple-disc sets, does it say to exclude a whole disc of content entirely; even a bonus CD would rate a mention in "other features". In the SM-MD example, or TV season parent, it all just goes into the same profile, but it's daft to have it disappear entirely at disc-level. This is inconsistent and needlessly limiting. Long story short, TV season profiles no longer exclusively resemble single or multiple movie box templates at disc level, hence the debate.

You keep saying that they are not excluded yet you keep ignoring the question I have been asking.  Show me where, under the TV Series rules, it says you can profile bonus discs.  If you can show me a rule that allows this, like it does under the Movie Box Set rules, I will be more than happy to change my stance.

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No-one is saying TV sets have to be split into child profiles, please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think there's any confusion over TV season parents so I've not been bringing them up. Or is that not what you're saying? The hypotheticals (or indeed actuals) of what we're dealing with here address a case where child profiles ARE in effect so that's all we're discussing. As I said just above, and I'll certainly grant you that both positions can be controverted, there still exists the fact that almost every TV set I've seen child profiles submitted for includes a bonus disc child profile where applicable, whether or not those submitters are here throwing in their two cents.

No, I didn't say you were saying that, I said that is how you are acting.  Let me try a different approach...

In my opinion, we set up profiles based on the rules.  In this instance, you are picking a rule based on how you are profiling the set.  You are saying that, since you are creating child profiles, you can use the Box Set rules.  I am sorry, but that simply isn't true.  The TV Series rules are very specific as to when you can apply the Box Set rules:

"In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."

Northbloke not stir things up...shirley he jests.

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so this would mean no running time for Bonus Materials in the total runtime of a season box.