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Alden could be a first, middle or last name. Depends on the person you are referring to.

Alden Wayne Dumas
Phil Alden Robinson
Cary Wilmot Alden

Why is Alden in the middle middle and not second first respectively first last?

Because Max is using the the starting point that many of us agreed on...'first/middle/last' unless documented otherwise.

And maybe it's just my USA perspective, but in my experience the number of times a person has two first names is infinitely small when compared to the number of times people have just one first, one middle and one last name.  That is why I always assume without any evidence to the contrary that a name should be parsed John / Edward / Doe  and not  John Edward // Doe.  And I believe that's why we agreed to do it that way unless documented otherwise as Unicus says.
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Alden could be a first, middle or last name. Depends on the person you are referring to.

Alden Wayne Dumas
Phil Alden Robinson
Cary Wilmot Alden

Why is Alden in the middle middle and not second first respectively first last?

Because Max is using the the starting point that many of us agreed on...'first/middle/last' unless documented otherwise.

And maybe it's just my USA perspective, but in my experience the number of times a person has two first names is infinitely small when compared to the number of times people have just one first, one middle and one last name.  That is why I always assume without any evidence to the contrary that a name should be parsed John / Edward / Doe  and not  John Edward // Doe.  And I believe that's why we agreed to do it that way unless documented otherwise as Unicus says.


You might be right if it's a Hollywood movie, where the "default" is American names, unless documented otherwise.

But then, if it is -say- an Italian production with Italian actors, I would assume that the "default" is NO middle names (only double first names and double last names), unless documented otherwise.
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Many of us have agreed that we should start from a simple standard.  That standard is what Skip outlined above.  This allows everybody to start on the same page.  If the name does not fall into one of the catagories listed in the rules, the following standard should apply:

A one word name would be '1/ /'
A two word name would be '1/ /2'
A three word name would be '1/2/3'
A four word name would be '1/2 3/4'

Keep in mind, those are just starting points.  The parsing can be changed if you can document it.

Many of us have agreed that you should do your best putting all the words of the first name into the first name field, the words from the last name into the last name field, and the rest into the middle name field. If you know that the parsing of a name in an existing profile is not correct, you can and should correct it giving some documentation.
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(...) And I believe that's why we agreed to do it that way unless documented otherwise as Unicus says.

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Alden could be a first, middle or last name. Depends on the person you are referring to.

Alden Wayne Dumas
Phil Alden Robinson
Cary Wilmot Alden

Why is Alden in the middle middle and not second first respectively first last?

Because Max is using the the starting point that many of us agreed on...'first/middle/last' unless documented otherwise.

And maybe it's just my USA perspective, but in my experience the number of times a person has two first names is infinitely small when compared to the number of times people have just one first, one middle and one last name.  That is why I always assume without any evidence to the contrary that a name should be parsed John / Edward / Doe  and not  John Edward // Doe.  And I believe that's why we agreed to do it that way unless documented otherwise as Unicus says.


You might be right if it's a Hollywood movie, where the "default" is American names, unless documented otherwise.

But then, if it is -say- an Italian production with Italian actors, I would assume that the "default" is NO middle names (only double first names and double last names), unless documented otherwise.


Here we go on culture again. Psst, Enry it's an American Program, not Italian, French or whatever. Don't argue it. It changes nothing from the perspective of the program, if you can document something other that the starting point be my guest.

John Edward Doe is going to look excatly the same, no matter how its parsed, it is just an easy place to start from.

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I am putting you on ignore in the forums, i am afr too weary of insistence to be argumentative with anyone who does not see things YOUR way. I think you should develop your own program then you can make the Rules.

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Many of us have agreed that you should do your best putting all the words of the first name into the first name field, the words from the last name into the last name field, and the rest into the middle name field.


I don't know about you, but I do not have the time to research every single multi-word name in a profile.  If you have that time, more power to you.  As it sits right now, I parse every name the way I outlined above...unless I know it should be parsed differently.

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If you know that the parsing of a name in an existing profile is not correct, you can and should correct it giving some documentation.


Isn't that what I said? 
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(...) And I believe that's why we agreed to do it that way unless documented otherwise as Unicus says.

Who is "we"?


The fact that he is agreeing with me should indicate that the 'we' he speaks of is the 'many of us' I mentioned.  While I won't go to the extreme that Skip did, your replies in the last couple of threads do have me scratching my head.  It seems like you are being purposely obtuse. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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I'm part of "we". 
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Many of us have agreed that you should do your best putting all the words of the first name into the first name field, the words from the last name into the last name field, and the rest into the middle name field.

I don't know about you, but I do not have the time to research every single multi-word name in a profile.  If you have that time, more power to you.  As it sits right now, I parse every name the way I outlined above...unless I know it should be parsed differently.

That's what I have said. If you setup a new credit you parse it the way that you believ to know is correct without any documentation and without any more research than what you are willing to do.
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If you know that the parsing of a name in an existing profile is not correct, you can and should correct it giving some documentation.


Isn't that what I said? 

The difference between what you have said and what I have said is that you ask for mandatory documentation for any new credit which does not match your default parsing. I ask only for documentation when you want to change an existing credit. But then I ask also for documentation when you want to change a credit from "non-standard" parsing to "standard" parsing.
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(...) And I believe that's why we agreed to do it that way unless documented otherwise as Unicus says.

Who is "we"?


The fact that he is agreeing with me should indicate that the 'we' he speaks of is the 'many of us' I mentioned.  While I won't go to the extreme that Skip did, your replies in the last couple of threads do have me scratching my head.  It seems like you are being purposely obtuse. 

There are some topics here in the forum which are discussed over and over again. The fact that they are discussed again and again in lengthy threads is prove enough that there is no consensus reached and that we have not agreed on interpreting the rules or doing it the same way. I do remember threads that have seemed to come to the conclusion that there is no standard parsing implied by the rules. Yet, the idea that we have to document anything other than a/b/c (when entering a new credit) returns to the forum on regular basis. (Of course changing an existing credit always requires documentation.) Do you remember the Bonham Carter threads?
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I'm part of "we". 

So "we" is at least three people (and probably more). But definitely not all and maybe not even a majority (specially considering the Bonham Carter threads).
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There are some topics here in the forum which are discussed over and over again. The fact that they are discussed again and again in lengthy threads is prove enough that there is no consensus reached and that we have not agreed on interpreting the rules or doing it the same way. I do remember threads that have seemed to come to the conclusion that there is no standard parsing implied by the rules. Yet, the idea that we have to document anything other than a/b/c (when entering a new credit) returns to the forum on regular basis. (Of course changing an existing credit always requires documentation.) Do you remember the Bonham Carter threads?


Did I say there was a consensus?  Don't think I did.  Did I say there was a majority?  Nope, didn't say that either.  In fact, I was quite deliberate in my word choice, so that I did not make either claim.

Again, it seems like you are being purposely obtuse as you are arguing against a point that nobody made. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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(...) And I believe that's why we agreed to do it that way unless documented otherwise as Unicus says.

Who is "we"?


The fact that he is agreeing with me should indicate that the 'we' he speaks of is the 'many of us' I mentioned.  While I won't go to the extreme that Skip did, your replies in the last couple of threads do have me scratching my head.  It seems like you are being purposely obtuse. 

There are some topics here in the forum which are discussed over and over again. The fact that they are discussed again and again in lengthy threads is prove enough that there is no consensus reached and that we have not agreed on interpreting the rules or doing it the same way. I do remember threads that have seemed to come to the conclusion that there is no standard parsing implied by the rules. Yet, the idea that we have to document anything other than a/b/c (when entering a new credit) returns to the forum on regular basis. (Of course changing an existing credit always requires documentation.) Do you remember the Bonham Carter threads?


Rho:

Once again we resort to cultural issues. And I will state what I have said before, a starting point is ALL we are dealing with here , nothing else. Yes middle name is largely an American phenomenon, the Program is American, live with it, accept the simple starting point and proceed from there. Arguing culture and semantics does none of us any good. Or as I suggested before...then we could follow where you want to go.<shrugs> I simply don't know what else to say here. To me everyone wants to take something that is very simplew for EVERYONE to execute without further ado, and trying to turn this ant hill into Mt. Everest and making it far more difficult for EVERYONE.

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Many of us have agreed that we should start from a simple standard.

many agreed=general agreement=consensus
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Here we go on culture again. Psst, Enry it's an American Program, not Italian, French or whatever.
Skip

The program is targeted at whatever regions Ken wants to target it. Adding localization support  indicates to me that he is targeting more than the American market.

Where a program was made was a valid point back in the dark ages before the internet - today it doesn't matter, only what target audience the program has. After all there is nothing wrong in a guy on Iceland writing a program targeting the American market - just like there is nothing wrong with a guy in the US writing a program targeting a broad western market...

Yes, Ken happens to be in the US, but I fail to see how this is significent - just like I do not consider it significent Linus Torvalds is from Finland (unless you think Linux is only suitable for people from Finland?)

But maybe I just missed the statement from Ken that he was primarely targeting the US market, and evey other country just have to accept US standards? If I did, please point my attention to it.
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