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Opus, being that they work for the company even if they are not on commission, they still receive compensation as an employee.  As you said we will have to agree to disagree.  However, if you work for a company (receive compensation) and you tell a group of strangers about your company in order to get them to try it out, your company, which can only stay in business by having customers (ie keep you compensated) it is spam...
Hi, I usually try to avoid these kinds of discussions, but this one caught my attention because I used to work for a large SW company that had very strict rules about such matters. In fact we could have been fired for doing it.

But what I am referring to falls more in line with "conflict of interest" than spam. Well-meaning people make errors in judgement that create conflicts of interest all the time. Usually there is no real malicious intent - but the consequences can be very real, such as getting fired or earning the disdain of your peers.

"Spam" on on the other hand, is a pre-meditated push (e.g, email or IM) of unsolicited promotional materials. The key words are "push" and unsolicited. Since this is a public forum that encourages discussion that we "pull", i.e., look at it only when or if we want to, I would not charaterize the aforementioned actions as spam.

Oh well, that's my 2 cents. 
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Same here; passing on info on how to save money is abit like saying "the cheapest online store for 'a Title' is Amazon/DeepDiscout/Play" etc and we don't say those are spam... infact they're usually encouraged.


I just kida skimmed over the first 2 pages so forgive me if this question falls on the covered/stupid side, but has anyone clicked the link and seen good prices/deals. Normally I'd try but my spyware is friztin', so no way do I try it without that and anti-virus running ay full capacity.

If everything is around retail price, it's spam. Prices comparable to DD? That would be helpful (plus I can make money while spending it! ) and may be innocent.
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It's for UK residents only.
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Although these posts may not be directed at me I feel I should clarify my position.

My original post about him being affiliated with the company was not me giving a reason for locking this thread or giving negative feedback.  It was simply me saying that I'd need an unbiased recommendation for me to be satisfied and I brought it to light in case there was anyone else who sharedmy opinion.

Just to clear that up 
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Just went to the web page (http://www.quidco.com/).  As I said before this is SPAM .  Here are some of the things off the page.

    * Computers up to 10% cashback
    * Free film trials up to £14.50 cashback
    * Mobile phones up to £100 cashback
    * Insurance up to £125 cashback

    * Free to join
    * £5 subscription (held annually from your Quidco earnings, not charged)
      » more info
    * 100% cashback rates

This page doesn't just cover DVD's.  It is a SUBSCRIPTION service.  This is not a person saying hey I found a new movie for 5.99 instead of 29.99.  This is a person who works for a company directing you to their page to JOIN for a cost.  SPAM!!!
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Just went to the web page (http://www.quidco.com/).  As I said before this is SPAM .  Here are some of the things off the page.

    * Computers up to 10% cashback
    * Free film trials up to £14.50 cashback
    * Mobile phones up to £100 cashback
    * Insurance up to £125 cashback

    * Free to join
    * £5 subscription (held annually from your Quidco earnings, not charged)
      » more info
    * 100% cashback rates

This page doesn't just cover DVD's.  It is a SUBSCRIPTION service.  This is not a person saying hey I found a new movie for 5.99 instead of 29.99.  This is a person who works for a company directing you to their page to JOIN for a cost.  SPAM!!!


This does not fit the definition of spam.

spam: n.  Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

Unsolicited, undesired e-mail. Also used as a verb. Spam is the e-mail version of junk mail.

Pronunciation:
    \'spam\
Function: noun

Etymology: from a skit on the British television series Monty Python's Flying Circus in which chanting of the word Spam overrides the other dialogue

Date: 1994

: unsolicited usually commercial e-mail sent to a large number of addresses
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Just went to the web page (http://www.quidco.com/).  As I said before this is SPAM .  Here are some of the things off the page.

    * Computers up to 10% cashback
    * Free film trials up to £14.50 cashback
    * Mobile phones up to £100 cashback
    * Insurance up to £125 cashback

    * Free to join
    * £5 subscription (held annually from your Quidco earnings, not charged)
      » more info
    * 100% cashback rates

This page doesn't just cover DVD's.  It is a SUBSCRIPTION service.  This is not a person saying hey I found a new movie for 5.99 instead of 29.99.  This is a person who works for a company directing you to their page to JOIN for a cost.  SPAM!!!


This does not fit the definition of spam.

spam: n.  Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

Unsolicited, undesired e-mail. Also used as a verb. Spam is the e-mail version of junk mail.

Pronunciation:
    \'spam\
Function: noun

Etymology: from a skit on the British television series Monty Python's Flying Circus in which chanting of the word Spam overrides the other dialogue

Date: 1994

: unsolicited usually commercial e-mail sent to a large number of addresses


Opus,

  I do not know why you think you have to be right, when you are not.  Any UNSOLICITED ad whether in email or in forums has become to be known as SPAM even by informal definition.  Call it what you want it is still a JUNK post and deserves the title.  It was unsolicited by the people in this forum, a word you used in all of your definitions which probably came from dictionary.com.  I am not here to joust you verbally or to argue semantics.  You have the right to your opinion, just realize that no matter what you call it this is unsolicited, unwarranted, and unwanted advertisement.  I call that SPAM!!!
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I do not know why you think you have to be right, when you are not.  Any UNSOLICITED ad whether in email or in forums has become to be known as SPAM even by informal definition.  Call it what you want it is still a JUNK post and deserves the title.  It was unsolicited by the people in this forum, a word you used in all of your definitions which probably came from dictionary.com.  I am not here to joust you verbally or to argue semantics.  You have the right to your opinion, just realize that no matter what you call it this is unsolicited, unwarranted, and unwanted advertisement.  I call that SPAM!!!


Because by DEFINITION, I am right. If you could possibly post a few links to back up your argument I'd be more than happy to review them. and BTW I used 3 sources. I know better than to ever use 1.
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I do not know why you think you have to be right, when you are not.  Any UNSOLICITED ad whether in email or in forums has become to be known as SPAM even by informal definition.  Call it what you want it is still a JUNK post and deserves the title.  It was unsolicited by the people in this forum, a word you used in all of your definitions which probably came from dictionary.com.  I am not here to joust you verbally or to argue semantics.  You have the right to your opinion, just realize that no matter what you call it this is unsolicited, unwarranted, and unwanted advertisement.  I call that SPAM!!!


Because by DEFINITION, I am right. If you could possibly post a few links to back up your argument I'd be more than happy to review them. and BTW I used 3 sources. I know better than to ever use 1.


Here are your three definitions from three sources

Newsgroup spam is a type of spam where the targets are Usenet newsgroups.

Spamming of Usenet newsgroups actually pre-dates e-mail spam. The first widely recognized Usenet spam (though not the most famous) was posted on January 18, 1994 by Clarence L. Thomas IV, a sysadmin at Andrews University.[1][2] Entitled "Global Alert for All: Jesus is Coming Soon",[3] it was a fundamentalist religious tract claiming that "this world's history is coming to a climax." The newsgroup posting bot Serdar Argic also appeared in early 1994, posting tens of thousands of messages to various newsgroups, consisting of identical copies of a political screed relating to the Armenian Genocide.

The first commercial Usenet spam,[4][2] and the one which is often (mistakenly) claimed to be the first Usenet spam of any sort, was an advertisement for legal services entitled "Green Card Lottery - Final One?".[5] It was posted in April 1994 by Arizona lawyers Laurence Canter and Martha Siegel, and hawked legal representation for United States immigrants seeking papers ("green cards").

Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages). During the early 1990s there was substantial controversy among Usenet system administrators (news admins) over the use of cancel messages to control spam. A cancel message is a directive to news servers to delete a posting, causing it to be inaccessible to those who might read it. Some regarded this as a bad precedent, leaning towards censorship, while others considered it a proper use of the available tools to control the growing spam problem.

A culture of neutrality towards content precluded defining spam on the basis of advertisement or commercial solicitations. The word "spam" was usually taken to mean excessive multiple posting (EMP), and other neologisms were coined for other abuses — such as "velveeta" (from the processed cheese product) for excessive cross-posting.[6] A subset of spam was deemed cancellable spam, for which it is considered justified to issue third-party cancel messages.[7]

In the late 1990s, spam became used as a means of vandalising newsgroups, with malicious users committing acts of sporgery to make targeted newsgroups all but unreadable without heavily filtering. A prominent example occurred in alt.religion.scientology. Another known example is the Meow Wars.

Prevalent in recent times is the MI-5 Persecution spam, which is well known across many, many newsgroups. These rambling postings often appear as clusters of 20 or more messages with varying subjects and content, but all related to Mike Corley's perceived surveillance of himself by MI5, the British intelligence agency. These rambling messages used to state the originator as MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk. Lately (December 2007) the spammer has taken to altering the "from" address and subject line in an attempt to get past newsgroup "kill" filters. This UK-based spammer readily admits that he has mental illness in several of his postings.

The prevalence of Usenet spam led to the development of the Breidbart Index as an objective measure of a message's "spamminess". The use of the BI and spam-detection software has led to Usenet being policed by anti-spam volunteers, who purge newsgroups of spam by sending cancels and filtering it out on the way into servers. This very active form of policing has meant that Usenet is a far less attractive target to spammers than it used to be, and most of the industrial-scale spammers have now moved into e-mail spam instead.

[edit] References

  1. ^ Templeton, Brad. Origin of the term "spam" to mean net abuse. Retrieved on 2006-07-11.
  2. ^ a b 20 Year Archive on Google Groups. Google (2003). Retrieved on 2006-07-11.
  3. ^ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9401191510.AA18576%40jse.stat.ncsu.edu
  4. ^ History of Spam. Mailmsg.com. Retrieved on 2006-07-11.
  5. ^ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2odj9q%2425q%40herald.indirect.com
  6. ^ velveeta
  7. ^ FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines

There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems.

And before you point out we are not a newsgroup...

Same as forum, an on-line discussion group. On the Internet, there are literally thousands of newsgroups covering every conceivable interest. To view and post messages to a newsgroup, you need a news reader, a program that runs on your computer and connects you to a news server on the Internet.

Much to the chagrin of Hormel Foods, maker of the canned "Shoulder Pork and hAM"/"SPiced hAM" luncheon meat, the term "spam" has today come to mean network abuse, particularly junk E-mail and massive junk postings to USENET.
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I do not know why you think you have to be right, when you are not.  Any UNSOLICITED ad whether in email or in forums has become to be known as SPAM even by informal definition.  Call it what you want it is still a JUNK post and deserves the title.  It was unsolicited by the people in this forum, a word you used in all of your definitions which probably came from dictionary.com.  I am not here to joust you verbally or to argue semantics.  You have the right to your opinion, just realize that no matter what you call it this is unsolicited, unwarranted, and unwanted advertisement.  I call that SPAM!!!


Because by DEFINITION, I am right. If you could possibly post a few links to back up your argument I'd be more than happy to review them. and BTW I used 3 sources. I know better than to ever use 1.


Here are your three definitions from three sources

Newsgroup spam is a type of spam where the targets are Usenet newsgroups.

Spamming of Usenet newsgroups actually pre-dates e-mail spam. The first widely recognized Usenet spam (though not the most famous) was posted on January 18, 1994 by Clarence L. Thomas IV, a sysadmin at Andrews University.[1][2] Entitled "Global Alert for All: Jesus is Coming Soon",[3] it was a fundamentalist religious tract claiming that "this world's history is coming to a climax." The newsgroup posting bot Serdar Argic also appeared in early 1994, posting tens of thousands of messages to various newsgroups, consisting of identical copies of a political screed relating to the Armenian Genocide.

The first commercial Usenet spam,[4][2] and the one which is often (mistakenly) claimed to be the first Usenet spam of any sort, was an advertisement for legal services entitled "Green Card Lottery - Final One?".[5] It was posted in April 1994 by Arizona lawyers Laurence Canter and Martha Siegel, and hawked legal representation for United States immigrants seeking papers ("green cards").

Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages). During the early 1990s there was substantial controversy among Usenet system administrators (news admins) over the use of cancel messages to control spam. A cancel message is a directive to news servers to delete a posting, causing it to be inaccessible to those who might read it. Some regarded this as a bad precedent, leaning towards censorship, while others considered it a proper use of the available tools to control the growing spam problem.

A culture of neutrality towards content precluded defining spam on the basis of advertisement or commercial solicitations. The word "spam" was usually taken to mean excessive multiple posting (EMP), and other neologisms were coined for other abuses — such as "velveeta" (from the processed cheese product) for excessive cross-posting.[6] A subset of spam was deemed cancellable spam, for which it is considered justified to issue third-party cancel messages.[7]

In the late 1990s, spam became used as a means of vandalising newsgroups, with malicious users committing acts of sporgery to make targeted newsgroups all but unreadable without heavily filtering. A prominent example occurred in alt.religion.scientology. Another known example is the Meow Wars.

Prevalent in recent times is the MI-5 Persecution spam, which is well known across many, many newsgroups. These rambling postings often appear as clusters of 20 or more messages with varying subjects and content, but all related to Mike Corley's perceived surveillance of himself by MI5, the British intelligence agency. These rambling messages used to state the originator as MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk. Lately (December 2007) the spammer has taken to altering the "from" address and subject line in an attempt to get past newsgroup "kill" filters. This UK-based spammer readily admits that he has mental illness in several of his postings.

The prevalence of Usenet spam led to the development of the Breidbart Index as an objective measure of a message's "spamminess". The use of the BI and spam-detection software has led to Usenet being policed by anti-spam volunteers, who purge newsgroups of spam by sending cancels and filtering it out on the way into servers. This very active form of policing has meant that Usenet is a far less attractive target to spammers than it used to be, and most of the industrial-scale spammers have now moved into e-mail spam instead.

[edit] References

  1. ^ Templeton, Brad. Origin of the term "spam" to mean net abuse. Retrieved on 2006-07-11.
  2. ^ a b 20 Year Archive on Google Groups. Google (2003). Retrieved on 2006-07-11.
  3. ^ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9401191510.AA18576%40jse.stat.ncsu.edu
  4. ^ History of Spam. Mailmsg.com. Retrieved on 2006-07-11.
  5. ^ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2odj9q%2425q%40herald.indirect.com
  6. ^ velveeta
  7. ^ FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines

There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems.

And before you point out we are not a newsgroup...

Same as forum, an on-line discussion group. On the Internet, there are literally thousands of newsgroups covering every conceivable interest. To view and post messages to a newsgroup, you need a news reader, a program that runs on your computer and connects you to a news server on the Internet.

Much to the chagrin of Hormel Foods, maker of the canned "Shoulder Pork and hAM"/"SPiced hAM" luncheon meat, the term "spam" has today come to mean network abuse, particularly junk E-mail and massive junk postings to USENET.



Thank you for the info.  I have highlighted those comments that further prove this ONE post is not spam. What you've posted here is undeniable proof of that. I'm sure that after you review your post you'll agree that 1 single posting cannot be considered spam. If you don't, then you'll be arguing against your own support.
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Thank you for the info.  I have highlighted those comments that further prove this ONE post is not spam. What you've posted here is undeniable proof of that. I'm sure that after you review your post you'll agree that 1 single posting cannot be considered spam. If you don't, then you'll be arguing against your own support.


Not trying to throw logs on the fire, but if you notice the part of Lord Of The Sith's message I left it specifies 20 or more newsgroups. None of us know (at least not that we said) if this one post was isolated to our forum or if it appeared at multiple forums.

plus all those 20 or more references are preceded by terms like generally, and usually. Additionally, all your bolds don't apply because they take the text out of context. If you read the surrounding text you see that the first bolded portion is refering to a specific case. The 3rd is refering to an evolution of spam into a method of vandalism.

And for the record, this is the first time i've ever seen someone ever try to argue that something like this isn't spam

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Just went to the web page (http://www.quidco.com/).  As I said before this is SPAM .  Here are some of the things off the page.

    * Computers up to 10% cashback
    * Free film trials up to £14.50 cashback
    * Mobile phones up to £100 cashback
    * Insurance up to £125 cashback

    * Free to join
    * £5 subscription (held annually from your Quidco earnings, not charged)
      » more info
    * 100% cashback rates

This page doesn't just cover DVD's.  It is a SUBSCRIPTION service.  This is not a person saying hey I found a new movie for 5.99 instead of 29.99.  This is a person who works for a company directing you to their page to JOIN for a cost.  SPAM!!!


Can someone explain to me why this is worth a red arrow and also why someone waited a few days to give it to me.  I am not begging for greens, I am just being curious.  Did I actually say something wrong or is someone just not happy with my opinion?
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Just went to the web page (http://www.quidco.com/).  As I said before this is SPAM .  Here are some of the things off the page.

    * Computers up to 10% cashback
    * Free film trials up to £14.50 cashback
    * Mobile phones up to £100 cashback
    * Insurance up to £125 cashback

    * Free to join
    * £5 subscription (held annually from your Quidco earnings, not charged)
      » more info
    * 100% cashback rates

This page doesn't just cover DVD's.  It is a SUBSCRIPTION service.  This is not a person saying hey I found a new movie for 5.99 instead of 29.99.  This is a person who works for a company directing you to their page to JOIN for a cost.  SPAM!!!


Can someone explain to me why this is worth a red arrow and also why someone waited a few days to give it to me.  I am not begging for greens, I am just being curious.  Did I actually say something wrong or is someone just not happy with my opinion?


Your posting was helpful and informative. Maybe a silly fun-voter...

Don't worry about this 
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