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Common Names Redux
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Thus, the choice of the Common Name does affect the results of the Credit Look-up tool! 

No, it does not!

It does when there is no value in the Credited As field, otherwise it does not.

Again: it's just about careful editing, nothing more. Goodguy's example just shows that in that particular scenario, you'd have to go back and manually edit both Profile_1 and Profile_2. That is rather cumbersome at times. There's quite a difference between how these things work in your local database and the online.
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Again: it's just about careful editing, nothing more. Goodguy's example just shows that in that particular scenario, you'd have to go back and manually edit both Profile_1 and Profile_2. That is rather cumbersome at times. There's quite a difference between how these things work in your local database and the online.

Yes, if you're going to modify a common name entry in your local database, you need to check which other profiles you have containing this person so you can verify the credited as name for each DVD.

(In the cast/crew editor, right-click on the name and select Show Credits..)
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when dealing with various name variants there's just no one-click solution to fix all profiles in which a certain person appears.


But a "one-click solution to fix all profiles" would be possible if the Credited Name were always stored in the internal CREDITED_AS field (even when it matches the Common Name), if I understood correctly what goodguy said.
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when dealing with various name variants there's just no one-click solution to fix all profiles in which a certain person appears.


But a "one-click solution to fix all profiles" would be possible if the Credited Name were always stored in the internal CREDITED_AS field (even when it matches the Common Name), if I understood correctly what goodguy said.

That may very well be true, but to jump from that to "Thus, the choice of the Common Name does affect the results of the Credit Look-up tool!" is quite something else...
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Thus, the choice of the Common Name does affect the results of the Credit Look-up tool! 

No, it does not! It's just that you have to be very careful when you're editing (common) "names": when dealing with various name variants there's just no one-click solution to fix all profiles in which a certain person appears.


That is absolutely correct. And that's why I called it a "problem" and not a "bug". Maybe I should have been more detailed.

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But a "one-click solution to fix all profiles" would be possible if the Credited Name were always stored in the internal CREDITED_AS field (even when it matches the Common Name), if I understood correctly what goodguy said.


That would create a large amount of redundant data. But it is also not necessary to always store the value. When changing a common name, the program could just go through all affected profiles and move the previously used common name to CreditedAs if there wasn't one. That is essentially what Name Variants does.
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So why are we still faced with an official policy that has us propagating IMDb's standard through our database - maybe for years to come?

I think someone (me) should point out that the display of a name without a comma isn't merely "IMDB's standard" but what is becoming common usage.  While some things are clearly unique to IMDb and easy to spot, I don't believe that the lack of a comma in a suffixed name isn't necessarily one of them.
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I don't know what the internal data is, but when I click on a Cast/Crew member in the editing window DVDP always shows the Credited As field with a name in it.

You can see it for yourself.  Click on a Cast member in the editing window.  There is a name in the Credited As field which you can edit.  But if you check the uncredited box, the Credited As field as grayed out (like Addicted mentioned above) and you cannot edit it.
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So why are we still faced with an official policy that has us propagating IMDb's standard through our database - maybe for years to come?

I think someone (me) should point out that the display of a name without a comma isn't merely "IMDB's standard" but what is becoming common usage.  While some things are clearly unique to IMDb and easy to spot, I don't believe that the lack of a comma in a suffixed name isn't necessarily one of them.

Of course there are actual credits for suffixed names out there that actually do not use the comma. But the fact that the "credit lookup" tool will declare the commaless name variant the "winner" for each and every suffixed name out there certainly is an indication of the large influence of IMDb's standard on our database. Just pick a few suffixed names that occur more than just a few times in your own database (and of which you have verified with which variant they're actually credited), and then check the lookup tool to see if it shows a similar ratio... I garantuee the results will shock you. It's similar to one of the other threads I posted in today, in which everyone agreed that "Weird Al" Yankovic actually is the most-credited name variant for this performer/actor. However, the "credit lookup" tool once again declares 'Weird Al' Yankovic as the most-credited form, which is blatantly untrue, but the single quotation marks - again a staple of IMDb - clearly indicate where that data came from...
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