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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | The more I read about this thread, the more I come to the conclusion that this profile should not exist in the first place. The hole package is a single film gift set. Therefore it should only get a single profile (of course with the case type set to custom). This profile should describe the complete set including the main feature. Additionally bonus discs (and only the bonus discs with a bonus film) can get a child profile according to the Ben-Hur model. In contrast there is no reason for an additional profile neither for the slip case nor for the main feature. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
The more I read about this thread, the more I come to the conclusion that this profile should not exist in the first place. The hole package is a single film gift set. Therefore it should only get a single profile (of course with the case type set to custom). This profile should describe the complete set including the main feature. Additionally bonus discs (and only the bonus discs with a bonus film) can get a child profile according to the Ben-Hur model. In contrast there is no reason for an additional profile neither for the slip case nor for the main feature. Except that the DVD set, that is included in the gift set, is exactly the same as the retail version...UPC and all. That is why there is a seperate profile for it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 |  Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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Except that the DVD set, that is included in the gift set, is exactly the same as the retail version...UPC and all. That is why there is a seperate profile for it. Except that the one that comes with the gift set has no UPC on it's own. For the rest it is indeed excaclty the same as the retail version of the DVD only. Maybe that one should get it's own profile and the one in the giftset should be merged with the goft set. I don't really know for sure what would be the proper option but I'd say delete the disc0id profile alltogether and go with the giftset only but that might have all kinds of real-life problems: deleting it from the main DB doesn't mean it will disappear from users' local DB's and it might get submitted again someday. | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? | | | | Last edited: by RaymondG |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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The more I read about this thread, the more I come to the conclusion that this profile should not exist in the first place. The hole package is a single film gift set. Therefore it should only get a single profile (of course with the case type set to custom). This profile should describe the complete set including the main feature. Additionally bonus discs (and only the bonus discs with a bonus film) can get a child profile according to the Ben-Hur model. In contrast there is no reason for an additional profile neither for the slip case nor for the main feature.
Except that the DVD set, that is included in the gift set, is exactly the same as the retail version...UPC and all. That is why there is a seperate profile for it. Does that make any difference (even if it were true as RaymondG has noted)? In my opinion not. EDIT: Of course the profile of the slip case should exist if it is sold alone without the gift set. But it should in no way be linked to the gift set profile IMO. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RaymondG: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting RHo:
Except that the DVD set, that is included in the gift set, is exactly the same as the retail version...UPC and all. That is why there is a seperate profile for it.
Except that the one that comes with the gift set has no UPC on it's own. For the rest it is indeed excaclty the same as the retail version of the DVD only. Mine has a UPC. I just double checked to be sure. In fact, it looks like this, from the main db:  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
EDIT: Of course the profile of the slip case should exist if it is sold alone without the gift set. But it should in no way be linked to the gift set profile IMO. This is actually what I was trying to say. There should be a profile for the gift set and a seperate profile for the DVD set. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe looking at the Lord of the Rings Gift Set Profiles for all three parts is going to shed some light on this issue, as those titles surely spread farther throughout the community, so it might be safe to assume that, if those three profiles are set up all alike, it's a good blueprint to follow with the Hellboy Gift Set as well. | | | | Lutz |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
Maybe looking at the Lord of the Rings Gift Set Profiles for all three parts is going to shed some light on this issue, as those titles surely spread farther throughout the community, so it might be safe to assume that, if those three profiles are set up all alike, it's a good blueprint to follow with the Hellboy Gift Set as well. I do remember several discussions about the Lord of the Rings gift sets. And I am convinced that they are not set up the same way in all localities. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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EDIT: Of course the profile of the slip case should exist if it is sold alone without the gift set. But it should in no way be linked to the gift set profile IMO.
This is actually what I was trying to say. There should be a profile for the gift set and a seperate profile for the DVD set. So, we do agree, that the disc id based profile for the slip case, which has been used linked to the gift set, should not exist. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Retail version with UPC:  Retail version (part of Giftset) without UPC:  Both versions are identical except for the Back Cover, UPC/EAN, Release Date and SRP, and therefore they need a separate profile to avoid confusion. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Both versions are identical except for the Back Cover, UPC/EAN, Release Date and SRP, and therefore they need a separate profile to avoid confusion. No, a slip case inside a single feature gift set does not qualify for its own profile. Its data is already covered by the gift set profile. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Both versions are identical except for the Back Cover, UPC/EAN, Release Date and SRP, and therefore they need a separate profile to avoid confusion. I guess they sold this differently in different regions. My 'gift set' copy matches the retail version exactly...including the upc. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Both versions are identical except for the Back Cover, UPC/EAN, Release Date and SRP, and therefore they need a separate profile to avoid confusion.
No, a slip case inside a single feature gift set does not qualify for its own profile. Its data is already covered by the gift set profile. Edit. Sorry, my mistake. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
The more I read about this thread, the more I come to the conclusion that this profile should not exist in the first place. The hole package is a single film gift set. Therefore it should only get a single profile (of course with the case type set to custom). This profile should describe the complete set including the main feature. Additionally bonus discs (and only the bonus discs with a bonus film) can get a child profile according to the Ben-Hur model. In contrast there is no reason for an additional profile neither for the slip case nor for the main feature. Agreed there is no upc on the Slip Case, for the gift set version, nor does there seem to be any reason supported by the rules for having disc level profiles for either the retail version or the gift set version for this single movie release. To me it sounds like it was profiled incorrectly to begin with. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Wrong. Martin has demonstrated that not all data are identical. And even if they were, other than the UPC/EAN, the mere fact that there are two EANs on the market warrants the existence of two profiles. The UPC/EAN is the PREFERRED identifier of ANY profile. The gift set profile should not have any child profile at all (except maybe for a bonus film a la Ben-Hur). It should cover the complete contents of the package including the main feature data. After all it is a single film package. Those get only a single profile no matter if they are gift sets or not and no matter if there is a second UPC inside or not. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unless the second UPC is sold on its own as well...
BTW I agree that a child profile for the gift set is unnecessary. If the slipcase is sold on its own with a different EAN, it can be profiled using that EAN, if not, the first release could be profiled by EAN and the second by Disc ID. Case types: Custom for the gift set, Slipcase for the 3-disc set when sold as such. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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