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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 |  Posts: 27 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd like to say a big Thank You to everyone for helping out here - the comments have been very helpful. I'm going to do the following:
Update the profile, changing the Rating to NR, rescan the covers and correct the Features listings since the comments here have made me go back and watch the film again.
For those of you who are worried about changing an "Adult" movie to "NR" I'd like to say that it's worth noting that the original entry for this movie is Genre tagged first as "Horror", and second as "Adult" - which I feel is accurate. This is a 35 year old Horror movie with no explicit sexual content (in the terms that we think of it today) - the original "R" rating was probably for the number of breasts in the various bar scenes and the murder scenes.
For me, the DVD is a good addition to my collection because it's an excellent example of its genre and also contains a couple of short drug education "extras" that anyone who has "Reefer Madness" in their collection will enjoy. I'll add details of these extras when I submit the next profile update. | | | | Everything in the world is a second order system, if you're not too fussy. And if it isn't, you are. | | | | Last edited: by recursive |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting recursive: Quote:
I'd like to say a bit Thank You to everyone for helping out here - the comments have been very helpful. I'm going to do the following:
Update the profile, changing the Rating to NR, rescan the covers and correct the Features listings since the comments here have made me go back and watch the film again.
For those of you who are worried about changing an "Adult" movie to "NR" I'd like to say that it's worth noting that the original entry for this movie is Genre tagged first as "Horror", and second as "Adult" - which I feel is accurate. This is a 35 year old Horror movie with no explicit sexual content (in the terms that we think of it today) - the original "R" rating was probably for the number of breasts in the various bar scenes and the murder scenes.
For me, the DVD is a good addition to my collection because it's an excellent example of its genre and also contains a couple of short drug education "extras" that anyone who has "Reefer Madness" in their collection will enjoy. I'll add details of these extras when I submit the next profile update. Just to be on the safe side... you say " I'll add details of these extras when I submit the next profile update.".. Just wanted to be sure how you intend to do this? If you mean you will write up the extras in the overview section... this is not allowed per the rules. as it is a space for back cover overview only... and the extras are not allowed in this section. I mention this because I don't want you getting declined for that reason. As for the adult thing... even after reading this thread I don't know where I stand on it. being a parent of a young girl I look at it in more then one way. and still sorting out my thoughts on it. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
As for the adult thing... even after reading this thread I don't know where I stand on it. Same here. It all depends on what you mean by "Adult" For instance, would you include A. porn / XXX (well, that's an easy Yes!) B. explicit sex in any movie (even if no porn or erotic intent) C. soft porn / "playboyish" D. erotic movies E. sexy movies ( Barbarella!) F. any movie with adult themes, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse, and so on... Besides: according to whom? | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is exactly what I mean... there is more to it then just XXX/Porn I don't buy the XXX/Porn movies... but I do have several Playboy Videos and Girls Gone Wild videos... in my eyes these are adult videos. I wouldn't sit a kid in front of them.. so that to me is adult.
So.. I definitely agree with your A, B & C for sure... I can't think of anything for D... in my opinion D & E would be the same category. And F... in my opinion it comes the the extent of such things.
But yeah... when all is said and done... it most definitely is much more then XXX/Porn = Adult.
And like you said... According to whom?
What I think I would actually like to see... is maybe XXX added to ratings with an option not to show them at start-up/online. Then also have something like an adult checkbox in the personalize section with the option not to show them also at start-up/online.
This way you will have it out of the ratings... protect the younger eyes online and in program... and it can mean what it means to each individual... without effecting everyone else. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I can't think of anything for D... in my opinion D & E would be the same category. For instance, I would say Emmanuelle and The L Word are "erotic" with explicit sex, while Barbarella was just "sexy science fiction" (no explicit sex). | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's why I think we should move the "adult" marking away from the online database and more into a local setting, as everyone will have their own idea of what constitutes an "adult" film.
Case in point would be something like Caligula, some people would class that as adult, others would disagree and would prefer "NR" in the rating section instead.
Moving the marking away from the ratings (and the genres) would give people that freedom to choose for themselves what is an adult title.
A question: if this was made a purely local setting (with a knock-on effect in your online listing), would that cause any problems offline or online? Can anyone think of a situation where the "adult" rating would need to be in the online database? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only unrated or not officially rated movie that I think have to be in the online database as "Adult" movie are the pornographic movie. They already have their own unofficial rating : XXX
That's the only case that seems pretty evident for everyone that they are not for the younger eyes. But I don't like the rating "adult" as I have already said previously, the unofficial rating use by the Adult industry is clear enough for me. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again I find myself in complete agreement with northbloke.  And no, I can't think of a reason why the "adult" rating would need to be in the central database. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Once again I find myself in complete agreement with northbloke.
And no, I can't think of a reason why the "adult" rating would need to be in the central database. Dunno. Legal issues? | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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Once again I find myself in complete agreement with northbloke.
And no, I can't think of a reason why the "adult" rating would need to be in the central database.
Dunno. Legal issues? You hit the nail on the head. There is a reason for the 'Content Warning' prior to voting on cover scans. Regardless of how everyone feels, Ken has to deal with US law. You may not like it. You may not agree with it. But it is a fact of life since the company is based in the US. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | But that's what I mean - you get that warning on all cover images, not just the adult ones. And for the online collection pages, it could check how we've set it locally instead. So would we need anything in the online database?
Does anyone actually know what state the servers are in and what the legal requirements are for that state? It would help in trying to work out whether what we're discussing is helpful at all. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Same here. It all depends on what you mean by "Adult"
For instance, would you include
A. porn / XXX (well, that's an easy Yes!)
B. explicit sex in any movie (even if no porn or erotic intent)
C. soft porn / "playboyish"
D. erotic movies
E. sexy movies (Barbarella!)
F. any movie with adult themes, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse, and so on...
Besides: according to whom? This is easy - A,B are Adult C,D,E - since they don't include explicit sex - Not Adult. However, nothing has been said about violence. And in this case I think that actually more damage is done by F - so perhaps those films which have extreme violence should also be rated as Adult? And who decides - well we do when we submit a film. I think we should all be responsible enough to have some idea. After all we all pretend to have some sort of intelligence. Use it or lose it! | | | | Paul | | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Posts: 27 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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As for the adult thing... even after reading this thread I don't know where I stand on it.
Same here. It all depends on what you mean by "Adult"
For instance, would you include
A. porn / XXX (well, that's an easy Yes!)
B. explicit sex in any movie (even if no porn or erotic intent)
C. soft porn / "playboyish"
D. erotic movies
E. sexy movies (Barbarella!)
F. any movie with adult themes, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse, and so on...
Besides: according to whom? That's very much the problem " according to whom" - I don't have any movies that I would consider "Porn" in my listing but I can understand other people taking issue with some of them ... films like "Betty Blue" and "The Pillow Book" for instance. I would even submit that there are some movies that I would class as porn that I would happily have in my collection ... "In Love" for example from 1983 with Kelly Nichols - a porn movie (D/F in the above listing) if ever there was one, yet also a Romance and Drama too (and sadly unavailable on DVD). It contains explicit sex yet leaves most people with tears in their eyes by the end of the movie. People have widely varying attitudes to the definition of Porn and I really don't think that the database or the submitters should be in the business of making these judgments - given that you have to enter the movie title, UPC or insert the disk to pull up the profile I wouldn't expect that there would be too many legal issues with profile entries but I'm not a lawyer. | | | | Everything in the world is a second order system, if you're not too fussy. And if it isn't, you are. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | And that is another problem... where does it say Adult=Porn? I understand if that is where most people's mind goes when they here adult movie... but there is much more then porn when it comes to classifying a movie to be only for adults.
As I said... I don't have porn... but I do have some Playboy and Girls Gone Wild dvds... They are not for everyone in the family... they are only for adults... so they are adult DVDs as well. And same can be said about graphically violent horror movies.... they are far from porn... but definitely not for everyone in the family... not something I would set kids in front of... so they are adult movies.
Adult automatically meaning Porn is the idea that I think people need to get away from. I personally believe anything you would not sit a child/young teen in front of is an Adult movie. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Posts: 27 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Just to be on the safe side... you say " I'll add details of these extras when I submit the next profile update."..
Just wanted to be sure how you intend to do this? If you mean you will write up the extras in the overview section... this is not allowed per the rules. as it is a space for back cover overview only... and the extras are not allowed in this section.
I mention this because I don't want you getting declined for that reason.
As for the adult thing... even after reading this thread I don't know where I stand on it. being a parent of a young girl I look at it in more then one way. and still sorting out my thoughts on it. I believe that the extra shorts should be in the Other Features box - I had checked the Featurettes box in the current submission but that's not really correct as I read the rules - these are additional short features that are not directly related to the main feature... I'll just post the titles as they are part of the "Special Features" on the DVD. Like you, I have a young daughter - a 9 year old who adores some movies like "Chicago" that are rated "R" and reads the rating on all movies carefully. She understands that some movies that we permit her to watch with us may not be movies that she should watch with her friends. She has no interest (yet) in what she calls, "the gooey bits" of the movies ... but that will change eventually, as it did for all of us. I find the rating system very little use in fact - Gosford Park, La Femme Nikita and Fahrenheit 9/11 are all "R" movies which makes very little sense to me - if you listen to the directors commentary in Gosford Park, he says at one point something to the effect of "That's the sixth "f*ck" that we needed to put in to get an "R" rating" - without the language the movie would have probably been rated PG-13 at the worst. I think (thanks to these discussions) that I now know more than I ever thought I needed to know about the US movie rating system.  | | | | Everything in the world is a second order system, if you're not too fussy. And if it isn't, you are. |
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