Going by the end credits is the only accurate way to do it. There is a couple reasons we do not go with imdb... one being accuracy... another one being they (imdb) own their database and do not allow other sites/companies use their info... and doing so opens Invelos up to lawsuits. That is the main reason Ken wants credits from the actual end credits only.

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My solution: Ken please give us a rule, doesn't matter which one just a rule. PLEASE!

You got my arrow in a GREEN square

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That's all well and good, except that the look-up tool is based on what is currently in the Invelos database, much of which was taken directly from IMDb where they ALWAYS drop the comma.

Just because the Invelos db shows no comma as the most common occurrence does not mean that is the way they were actually most commonly credited in the films they were in.

And therein, lies the rub.  The bad data perpetuates itself!

That's exactly the case. And as Tim points out, you can submit an as-credited name and get a 'no' vote for not setting up a common name to match the IMDb-formatted-comma-less variant (which is as he says always the most frequent in the Invelos lookup). Realizing that I can't fix them all and resolving to only fix these once, I'm keeping mine local.

I thought this was settled loooooong ago.

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ok I can agree with that, Im not talking about a full audit, but if I find a questionable credit, use the credit lookup and IMDB and any others and decide credit lookup tool is not accurate and my only other source is IMDB, I should be able to use that for a source.

I don't know who this 'we' is you are talking about but I do not use 'stylistic choices'.  I enter them 'as credited' and 'as credited' only.  If it is 'Robert Downey Jr', that is how I enter it.  If it happens to be 'Robert Downey, Jr', then that is how I enter it.  To do it any other way would be against the rules.

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You are being argumentative. You know as well as i do we have had sveral discussiuons including as I recall one poll whicjh have sttled this along with mosat of these other recent discussions that have come up of late, if people would check into it. But no, we have to cover the same territory every few months. Ye, enry a  stylistic choice was made looong ago. Look around. I presume also, unicus, that this references the Alias name situation, if you are talking about whatever is On Screen...you know my answer.

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You are being argumentative. You know as well as i do we have had sveral discussiuons including as I recall one poll whicjh have sttled this along with mosat of these other recent discussions that have come up of late, if people would check into it. But no, we have to cover the same territory every few months. Ye, enry a  stylistic choice was made looong ago. Look around. I presume also, unicus, that this references the Alias name situation, if you are talking about whatever is On Screen...you know my answer.

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I am honestly amazed. You now claim we DO have such a standard (always use a comma) while you yourself undermined this only a few weeks ago with your contribution to 'The Super' - which we argued about in these forums for several pages. You stated repeatedly that we have no standards at all, and that we should use the most-credited form every time. IMHO, that discussion is one of the main reasons for this whole disaster (the only way we have to research the most-credited form is the lookup tool, and it will declare the IMDb-formatted-comma-less variant as winner every time, not because of actual credits, but just based on IMDb's "stylistic choice"). We had a long-standing consensus on how to enter suffixes, but you came in and tore it down.

Either we indeed have a "stylistic choice" of always using a comma before Jr./Sr. suffixes - and I feel we badly need it - or we don't. I now see you posting that we actually DO have that standard, while I see you as one of the primary users who actually destroyed that long-standing consensus. I'm truly puzzled... 

For the record: the most recent poll showing what the users wanted is right here.