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Wrong credits in "From the Earth to the Moon" (Signature Edition) - What to do ?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Ummm....can we get back to the part where the region 1 profiles are rife with errors?  I didn't really want to have to look at those.


Ummm what do you not understand, the Region 1 Profile is from the Credits per the Rules, which is not as you put it "rife" with errors. It is CORRECT to the Rules. Now, as Tigi pointed out there was a mastering error at HBO's end. So if someone wishes to takle advantage of option that has been suggested be my guest or I will get to it when I can.

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Really?  I've just gone through disk 1 and found three or four errors.  Mispelled actors and roles.  Haven't been through the crew yet.

Try to forget about this final episode nonsense and get back to the meat and potatoes stuff.  We now have to go through each one of these region 1 disks because there are minor errors sprinkled throughout.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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And your point is? the topic of this discussion was Episode 12. I don't claim to be perfect, in fact I am all too human. If you find some mistakes, FIX them.

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Sigh, my point was to answer you question.  Here, I'll quote you:

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Ummm what do you not understand, the Region 1 Profile is from the Credits per the Rules, which is not as you put it "rife" with errors. It is CORRECT to the Rules.


I was merely explaining what it was that I didn't understand, since you went out of your way to tell me I was wrong. 

Anyway, don't worry about it.  I'll fix my own profiles locally.  Sheesh.
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Midnit:

If there are some errors I want you to fix them...or somebody. It will be awhile before I get back to them.
The topic was about Episode 12, and you brought in Episode 1, i was trying to figure out what you were doing, that's all.

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Hilbert:

Have you take notice of the name of the Program, it is not MovieProfiler or TVProfiler, but DVDProfiler



Say this to the guys who simply add BluRay or HD-DVD to the DVD database.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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They are DVDs, by our definition.

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They are DVDs, by our definition.
Skip


And by "our" you mean who?
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Foir example NEITHER of the two Region 1 releases conatin your mastering error.

Uhm, Skip, you might want to take a look at your own contribution for the RC1 "Signature Edition".

You are the user I mentioned who simply dumped the incorrect credits into the profile (see Disc 4; obviously the US release does contain the mastering error) and your contribution is one of those I mentioned which contain numerous errors. So I suggest you better get to work on your own profiles right away.


FWIW,  I ran up my R1 Signature version 0-26359-88532-7 last night. Disc 4 does indeed have the Ep 6 cast list in the Ep 12 credits. However the online parent profiles for that particular version (two localities with same EAN) do not have credits split by episode

The child profile for disc 4, 6812-A60E-98EC-BC1C, has the "as credited" cast list for Ep 12, i.e. the "incorrect" Ep 6 one.
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Except he decided to follow the first half of the rule and ignore the second half.  I understand what he is doing, and why, but I will not pretend that it follows the rules. 


But he's under no obligation to submit a complete cast and crew list. By only inserting the names in the opening credits and not adding any names from the end credits after them, he is only submitting an incomplete list, not a wrong one. This is perfectly acceptable according to the rules.
After all, there are numerous people who don't submit sound credits because they don't want to, yet we don't threaten them with no votes simply because they've chosen not to include them.
TigiHof's decision not to include credits from the end credits is exactly the same situation.
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Except he decided to follow the first half of the rule and ignore the second half.  I understand what he is doing, and why, but I will not pretend that it follows the rules. 


But he's under no obligation to submit a complete cast and crew list. By only inserting the names in the opening credits and not adding any names from the end credits after them, he is only submitting an incomplete list, not a wrong one. This is perfectly acceptable according to the rules.
After all, there are numerous people who don't submit sound credits because they don't want to, yet we don't threaten them with no votes simply because they've chosen not to include them.
TigiHof's decision not to include credits from the end credits is exactly the same situation.


I beg to differ Northbloke. He is obligated due to the fact that this isn't a new profile contribution that doesn't already have a cast list. He's altering an already approved profile and removing information already there which is correct as credited on disc but incorrect due to a technical error. Just my opinion.
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I didn't know that Max, thanks for pointing it out. I thought we were talking about adding cast & crew, not replacing.
In that case, if the info already there matches what's on screen then it should remain, mastering error or not.
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They are DVDs, by our definition.
Skip


And by "our" you mean who?


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I didn't know that Max, thanks for pointing it out. I thought we were talking about adding cast & crew, not replacing.
In that case, if the info already there matches what's on screen then it should remain, mastering error or not.


I agree... it should remain.
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I beg to differ Northbloke. He is obligated due to the fact that this isn't a new profile contribution that doesn't already have a cast list. He's altering an already approved profile and removing information already there which is correct as credited on disc but incorrect due to a technical error. Just my opinion.

The existing cast list was a direct copy from IMDb, which was dumped into the profile without even using episode dividers, so technically I didn't remove anything (at least nothing compliant with the rules).

Just one last word about my contribution: I'm really surprised some users feel that my contribution is a rule violation. The users who know me from several years of work for the Profiler know that I'm not the type of user to deliberately ignore the rules. I have absolutely no problem, for example, entering an incorrect credit entry "as is" into the profile and "correcting" it with a common name. The situation here is completely different, though. My interpretation of having a credit list from a different episode is that the end credits for this episode are simply non-existent. Thus, the only proper way of handling this is to use the opening credits only, and that's what I did. From my point of view it's a rational solution that's perfectly within the rules.
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Just one last word about my contribution: I'm really surprised some users feel that my contribution is a rule violation. The users who know me from several years of work for the Profiler know that I'm not the type of user to deliberately ignore the rules. I have absolutely no problem, for example, entering an incorrect credit entry "as is" into the profile and "correcting" it with a common name. The situation here is completely different, though. My interpretation of having a credit list from a different episode is that the end credits for this episode are simply non-existent. Thus, the only proper way of handling this is to use the opening credits only, and that's what I did. From my point of view it's a rational solution that's perfectly within the rules.


While I don't like loopholes, I will point out the one you are using.  This is what the rule says (bold added by me):

For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits".

It could be argued, since it is not a list of the actors involved, that they do not qualify as "standard film credits".  If they are not "standard film credits," then we do not have to copy them exactly.

I don't like it, as I think it opens the door for abuse, but it is what it is. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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