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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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The whole thing seems fairly simple to me.

There will always be cases that the rules don't cover. When confronted with such a situation you'll have to use your best judgement.



I don't disagree.

I am playing devil's advocate.

On the one hand people want to say "common sense" isn't common therefore, we cannot apply it in some cases, but then they turn around and say we can apply it in this case.

Smacks a bit of hypocrisy to me.
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I believe the proper usage is "insurpassable".


Your belief is incorrect.  If you look up both words you get the following results:

'unsurpassable': not to be exceeded; "unsurpassable skill"; "unsurpassable standards of workmanship"
'insurpassable': no definitions were found

You may be thinking of 'insurmountable'.
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I don't disagree.

I am playing devil's advocate.

On the one hand people want to say "common sense" isn't common therefore, we cannot apply it in some cases, but then they turn around and say we can apply it in this case.

Smacks a bit of hypocrisy to me.


It is only hypocritical when it is not put into proper context.  You can't use common sense when the rules are very specific.  For example, common sense tells me that 40 trained Llamas, directing a film, was a joke and shouldn't have been entered into profiler.  Well, common sense doesn't trump the rule that says to copy the credits exactly.  If, however, the rules do not cove a specific situation, as they do not here, then some common sense can be applied and the voters...and screeners...will make the final decision.

As I said, it seems fairly simple.
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For example, common sense tells me that 40 trained Llamas, directing a film, was a joke and shouldn't have been entered into profiler.



Maybe it should be entered as [Credited as] ?
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I don't disagree.

I am playing devil's advocate.

On the one hand people want to say "common sense" isn't common therefore, we cannot apply it in some cases, but then they turn around and say we can apply it in this case.

Smacks a bit of hypocrisy to me.


It is only hypocritical when it is not put into proper context.  You can't use common sense when the rules are very specific.  For example, common sense tells me that 40 trained Llamas, directing a film, was a joke and shouldn't have been entered into profiler.  Well, common sense doesn't trump the rule that says to copy the credits exactly.  If, however, the rules do not cove a specific situation, as they do not here, then some common sense can be applied and the voters...and screeners...will make the final decision.

As I said, it seems fairly simple.


I have to agree here.
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Quoting hal9g:
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I don't disagree.

I am playing devil's advocate.

On the one hand people want to say "common sense" isn't common therefore, we cannot apply it in some cases, but then they turn around and say we can apply it in this case.

Smacks a bit of hypocrisy to me.


It is only hypocritical when it is not put into proper context.  You can't use common sense when the rules are very specific.  For example, common sense tells me that 40 trained Llamas, directing a film, was a joke and shouldn't have been entered into profiler.  Well, common sense doesn't trump the rule that says to copy the credits exactly.  If, however, the rules do not cove a specific situation, as they do not here, then some common sense can be applied and the voters...and screeners...will make the final decision.

As I said, it seems fairly simple.


You keep saying the Rules don;t cover it.  I disagree.  They are very specific about where to get the title from.  They make no allowance for exceptions.
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You really don't have a leg to stand on here hal.

When there is a titile on the front cover you use it. If there is no titile on the front cover then you don't throw your hands up and say I can't do anything here. That's when you have to use common sense and go to the spine and/or back cover. You argument is completely false and does not apply to this situation at all.
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You keep saying the Rules don;t cover it.  I disagree.  They are very specific about where to get the title from.  They make no allowance for exceptions.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  I couldn't parse it to mean that if I tried. 

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When there is a titile on the front cover you use it. If there is no titile on the front cover then you don't throw your hands up and say I can't do anything here. That's when you have to use common sense and go to the spine and/or back cover.


Exactly how I see it as well.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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You keep saying the Rules don;t cover it.  I disagree.  They are very specific about where to get the title from.  They make no allowance for exceptions.

I don't see the exception or workaround in the rules either.
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You keep saying the Rules don;t cover it.  I disagree.  They are very specific about where to get the title from.  They make no allowance for exceptions.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  I couldn't parse it to mean that if I tried. 

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When there is a titile on the front cover you use it. If there is no titile on the front cover then you don't throw your hands up and say I can't do anything here. That's when you have to use common sense and go to the spine and/or back cover.


Exactly how I see it as well.


So, if the Rules do not tell us specifically NOT to do something (they are silent on the issue) then it is to be interpreted that you can do it?

I've worked with contracts for services for a long time, and believe me that is not the way they work.

If something is not explicitly stated as being "covered" then under contract law, it is not covered.

You seem to think it works the other way.

In this case, the Rules provide for one and only one place to get the title.

A simple modification, which would take a minuet or two, could fix this.

In the meantime, "common sense" tells us how to deal with it.

But to claim that because the "Rules are silent on this" that we can assume that we can take the title from the back or the spine and still believe it's within the Rules is illogical.
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It was obviously an oversight and the rules will be amended. I don't think it is going to be a big problem at the moment since the majority of dvd's do actually have a title on the front cover.
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Here comestha tem Common Sense again, Hal

All right lets test it. Apply a little a Common Sense to Musical works and explain and how Musical Composition without ANY words is a Song Writer. By ANY definition that is an invalid statement, including Common Sense but....

Skip
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Birds "sing" all the time....without words.  It is called a "birdsong"!

The concept that a "song" must have words is just non-sensical.

See....common sense!
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If something is not explicitly stated as being "covered" then under contract law, it is not covered.


Last I checked, this was not contract law.  These are rules for a DVD program.  You don't have to see it the way I do, but that doesn't mean you are correct.  I would be willing to bet most people in this forum see it the way Bodi and I do.  I can only hope that Ken will fix it for those of you that don't.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Last I checked, this was not contract law.  T


The way you parse the Rules, you would certainly think it was contract law! 
Hal
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