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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, an update years later...
Is the general consensus still not to add an Edition from a sticker, which appears only on the outside of the plastic wrap? | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have no problem using the sticker...but I don't contribute because I don't want to deal with the drama. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken himself clarified the rules to mean front cover only... so if the spines and back covers don't even count for editions... then no chance in the world that a sticker on the outside of the plastic wrap would count. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | So I would be in the right to vote No to somebody's contribution adding an Edition strictly based on a sticker? | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Depends:
If it is one (and/or a combination) of the default (built-in) Editions of DVD-Profiler, I wouldn't vote "No".
All else has (according to the rules) to be printed on the cover, and, according to an ancient clarification of Ken, even on the front-cover. So stickers don't count. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
So I would be in the right to vote No to somebody's contribution adding an Edition strictly based on a sticker? I would vote NO in that case for these reasons. 1) We are told to not include the sticker on cover scans. 2) People usually do not keep the stickers so there would be no way to truly validate. Some people may keep them if they are on the case itself (and not the shrink wrap), but I bet that number is small. 3) Stickers could vary from printing to printing of the same release (UPC/EAN) 4) Retailers sometimes add stickers, although these types of stickers typically would not be interpreted as an edition. But you never know. | | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
So I would be in the right to vote No to somebody's contribution adding an Edition strictly based on a sticker? Absolutely. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Voted No, and got this public reply/revision to that: Quote:
They actually are. All the UK Tinto Brass movies, also released by Arrow, are special editions and only because of the stickers. These profiles have been approved and released. Just because something (even multiple profiles) got approved and released, doesn't necessarily mean they're correct... | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not only doesn't it mean it is correct.... it is well known Invelos will let in errors if part of a bigger correct contribution. You can never go by what has been accepted and already in the database. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 |  Posts: 138 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've withdrawn the contribution of Foxy Brown, after I've just read this topic.
And also corrected the Tinto Brass movies again to the standard releases.
It's hard to keep up with the non-official rules towards contributions concerning the edition.
Besides, Arrow is using at least 2 different kind of stickers: grey ones and blue ones.
It's indeed a better choice to throw away the stickers, as some people might get a blue sticker, others a grey for the same release.. | | | | Last edited: by jurgen42u |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What non-official rule? In the rule says that the edition must be from the box (not a sticker on the wrap), it is only the clarification that the rule means front cover only that Invelos posted in the forum. Which in my honest opinion since it came from Invelos is as official as what is in the rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
What non-official rule? In the rule says that the edition must be from the box (not a sticker on the wrap), it is only the clarification that the rule means front cover only that Invelos posted in the forum. Which in my honest opinion since it came from Invelos is as official as what is in the rules. I'm sorry, but that isn't what the rule says. Per the rule, only non-standard descriptions must come from the box. If one of the built in selections is on a sticker, the rules don't disallow them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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What non-official rule? In the rule says that the edition must be from the box (not a sticker on the wrap), it is only the clarification that the rule means front cover only that Invelos posted in the forum. Which in my honest opinion since it came from Invelos is as official as what is in the rules.
I'm sorry, but that isn't what the rule says. Per the rule, only non-standard descriptions must come from the box. If one of the built in selections is on a sticker, the rules don't disallow them. Where exactly in the rules does it say that? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I'm sorry, but that isn't what the rule says. Per the rule, only non-standard descriptions must come from the box. If one of the built in selections is on a sticker, the rules don't disallow them. If the sticker is just stuck on the outside of the plastic wrap? I wouldn't consider them to be a part of the actual cover. Many Criterions often have those stickers, and I never see them being added. If we're going to use information from packaging stickers like that, we might as well just stick them on the covers and scan them. There's a reason why we don't. I think this is where Ken expanded on the issue: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=533687&PageNum=3&messageID=1537039#M1537039 | | | | Corey | | | | Last edited: by Katatonia |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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What non-official rule? In the rule says that the edition must be from the box (not a sticker on the wrap), it is only the clarification that the rule means front cover only that Invelos posted in the forum. Which in my honest opinion since it came from Invelos is as official as what is in the rules.
I'm sorry, but that isn't what the rule says. Per the rule, only non-standard descriptions must come from the box. If one of the built in selections is on a sticker, the rules don't disallow them.
Where exactly in the rules does it say that? Quoting The Rules: Quote:
It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. Which is directly followed by: Quote:
If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, [...] The only thing one might argue about is whether it's "appropriate" if the Edition is only to be found on a long lost sticker. If the majority should decide that it is inappropriate, I'll be among the first to agree. But the rules leave a lot of room for interpretation here. In fact one might argue that the first sentence is redundant if built-in Editions have the same requirements as custom Editions. Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
I think this is where Ken expanded on the issue: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=533687&PageNum=3&messageID=1537039#M1537039 Sorry Corey, but Ken here only elaborates on non-standard Editions. "Special Edition" now clearly is one of the built-in ones | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
Sorry Corey,
but Ken here only elaborates on non-standard Editions.
"Special Edition" now clearly is one of the built-in ones Understood. I still don't see how a sticker on the plastic wrap packaging in any way applies either way though. I've certainly bought new releases before that have stickers on some copies, and not on others in stores. If one says "Special Edition" on it, and one doesn't, who's to say which is valid? And if a packaging sticker is so important, and valid for information that can be added from it, do we need to start scanning covers with the stickers visible on now? Stickers have always been restricted. If somebody contributes scans with stickers, even if those show "Special Edition" (or similar) they're almost surely going to be voted down. I don't see how it can be either/or... | | | | Corey |
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