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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The difference is, that Unicus voted in line with what the Rules currently say as opposed to what he thinks they ought to say! Admit it Hal, you're attempting to take advantage of a loophole that unfortunately exists in the Original Title Rule  . Quote:
And while you're at it, please explain why the "Modified Title" rule does not apply to "M:i:III". Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary: Title: There's Something More About Mary Original Title: There's Something About Mary. Unlike the Special Edition release of "There's Something More About Mary", The title "M:I:III" on the front cover matches the credit block , ergo, the Modified Title Rule does not apply. If a new Collector's Edition of M:iIII were released and the Front cover art had the title: Mission reallyImpossible IIIThen that would be another story  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:Quote:
The difference is, that Unicus voted in line with what the Rules currently say as opposed to what he thinks they ought to say!
Admit it Hal, you're attempting to take advantage of a loophole that unfortunately exists in the Original Title Rule .
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And while you're at it, please explain why the "Modified Title" rule does not apply to "M:i:III".
Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
Title: There's Something More About Mary
Original Title: There's Something About Mary.
Unlike the Special Edition release of "There's Something More About Mary", The title "M:I:III" on the front cover matches the credit block , ergo, the Modified Title Rule does not apply.
If a new Collector's Edition of M:iIII were released and the Front cover art had the title:
Mission really
Impossible III
Then that would be another story Again you use the wrong reference. The modified title rule does not say to compare the DVD Cover title to the "Credit block". It says to compare it to the "original theatrical release".In the theater, the title that everyone saw when the movie started was "Mission: Impossible III". You quote the rule and then turn around and apply it completely differently than what it actually says.  Are you sure English is your first language?  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Quoting hal9g:Quote:
The difference is, that Unicus voted in line with what the Rules currently say as opposed to what he thinks they ought to say!
Admit it Hal, you're attempting to take advantage of a loophole that unfortunately exists in the Original Title Rule .
Quote:
And while you're at it, please explain why the "Modified Title" rule does not apply to "M:i:III".
Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
Title: There's Something More About Mary
Original Title: There's Something About Mary.
Unlike the Special Edition release of "There's Something More About Mary", The title "M:I:III" on the front cover matches the credit block , ergo, the Modified Title Rule does not apply.
If a new Collector's Edition of M:iIII were released and the Front cover art had the title:
Mission really
Impossible III
Then that would be another story
Again you use the wrong reference. The modified title rule does not say to compare the DVD Cover title to the "Credit block". It says to compare it to the "original theatrical release".
In the theater, the title that everyone saw when the movie started was "Mission: Impossible III".
You quote the rule and then turn around and apply it completely differently than what it actually says.
Are you sure English is your first language? You are the one turning everything around Hal. Also, show me exactly in the rule where it says to compare it to the "original theatrical release". I didn't see this film in a theater, so I, and many others don't know what the credits looked like in the theater...nor do I care. The original theatrical title is in the credit block. There is no point in this...we'll agree to disagree and let the screeners make the final call. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
You are the one turning everything around Hal.
Also, show me exactly in the rule where it says to compare it to the "original theatrical release". I didn't see this film in a theater, so I, and many others don't know what the credits looked like in the theater...nor do I care. The original theatrical title is in the credit block.
There is no point in this...we'll agree to disagree and let the screeners make the final call. You actually quoted the "Modified Title Rule" yourself and you do not see where it says to use the "original theatrical release" for the Original Title? "Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release." The only way to know whether to apply the "Modified Title Rule" is to compare "the DVD Cover Title" to the "original theatrical title". What it so hard about this. This is plain English! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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You are the one turning everything around Hal.
Also, show me exactly in the rule where it says to compare it to the "original theatrical release". I didn't see this film in a theater, so I, and many others don't know what the credits looked like in the theater...nor do I care. The original theatrical title is in the credit block.
There is no point in this...we'll agree to disagree and let the screeners make the final call.
You actually quoted the "Modified Title Rule" yourself and you do not see where it says to use the "original theatrical release" for the Original Title?
"Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release."
The only way to know whether to apply the "Modified Title Rule" is to compare "the DVD Cover Title" to the "original theatrical title".
What it so hard about this. This is plain English! original theatrical title>"original theatrical release"...just changed the wording a little didn't you?  "The only way to know whether to apply the "Modified Title Rule" is to compare "the DVD Cover Title" to the "original theatrical title"." Which is proudly displayed in the Credit Block Edit: In response to your next response: Blah, blah, blah, blah... I said this was pointless. Let the screeners do their job. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly come back here and eat your Crow. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
"The only way to know whether to apply the "Modified Title Rule" is to compare "the DVD Cover Title" to the "original theatrical title"." Which is proudly displayed in the Credit Block The Credit Block for this particular film, and most films I have seen, matches the DVD Cover Title. If we are to use the logic you just put forth, the original theatrical title is 'M:i:III'. Some how I don't think that is what you meant. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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"The only way to know whether to apply the "Modified Title Rule" is to compare "the DVD Cover Title" to the "original theatrical title"." Which is proudly displayed in the Credit Block
The Credit Block for this particular film, and most films I have seen, matches the DVD Cover Title. If we are to use the logic you just put forth, the original theatrical title is 'M:i:III'. Some how I don't think that is what you meant. Check the credit block for "There's Something More About Mary". You will see that the DVD Cover Title differs from that of the Credit Block. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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"The only way to know whether to apply the "Modified Title Rule" is to compare "the DVD Cover Title" to the "original theatrical title"." Which is proudly displayed in the Credit Block
The Credit Block for this particular film, and most films I have seen, matches the DVD Cover Title. If we are to use the logic you just put forth, the original theatrical title is 'M:i:III'. Some how I don't think that is what you meant.
Check the credit block for "There's Something More About Mary". You will see that the DVD Cover Title differs from that of the Credit Block. I did. I downloaded both versions that are in the main db. The fullscreen (024543074908) and the widescreen (024543063056) collector's editions. Neither one had a Credit Block. Puting that aside for a moment, the credit block for Mission Impossible III reads, M:i:III. Are you saying that 'M:i:III' is the original theatrical title? I did see it in the theatre and that is not what I saw on screen. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I did. I downloaded both versions that are in the main db. The fullscreen (024543074908) and the widescreen (024543063056) collector's editions. Neither one had a Credit Block. That's because it's a slip cover The credit block is on the card board holding the digipak. The front shows "There's something more about Mary" (as you will have seen; with the "more" in a different style) and the credit block shows "There's something about Mary", as it should. (at least for the Widescreen version) | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) | | | | Last edited: by nuoyaxin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I did. I downloaded both versions that are in the main db. The fullscreen (024543074908) and the widescreen (024543063056) collector's editions. Neither one had a Credit Block.
That's because it's a slip cover The credit block is on the card board holding the digipak. That would explain it. Thanks Achim. Quote:
The front shows "There's something more about Mary" (as you will have seen; with the "more" in a different style) and the credit block shows "There's something about Mary", as it should. (at least for the Widescreen version) This is why I said "most films I have seen." There is the odd one out there. I will have to watch MI3 again, but I am 99.9% sure that the title credits read Mission Impossible III. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The title credits read:
Mission: Impossible III | | | | Hal |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The title credits read:
Mission: Impossible III Which, unfortunately, is completely immaterial. I've already pointed this out earlier, and I think it's a huge mistake on Ken's part. The new rules on titles basically boil down to: take the "title" from the front cover, and the "original title" from the back cover (i.e. the "credits block). Only when there is no credits block can we use the actual credits. I've already had several updates declined where I used the title from the film's credits as "original title", with no-voters referring to this rule. So indeed the rules seem to say that we are to disregard the title from the film's credits completely - except in those very few cases that there isn't a credits block on the cover. Again: I find this an extremely weird approach, one that I certainly don't use locally. Like you, I've kept 'Mission: Impossible III' as "original title" locally, but for online purposes, we apparently can only use the front cover for the "title" and the credits block for the "original title". I hope someone can convince Ken that this should be changed. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | If that is what Ken intends, then he needs to fix the Rule to actually say that, because that is not what the "Modified Title Rule" says today! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Hal. My guess is you did not invoke the 'modified title' rule, which says nothing about a 'credit block'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I have to agree with Hal. My guess is you did not invoke the 'modified title' rule, which says nothing about a 'credit block'. I do, actually. It's just that quite a lot of voters just look under "original title", and there they see: " Use the title from the copyright notice if available, otherwise from the film's credits." And based on that, they'll vote against any "original title" addition that uses the title from the film's credits. Again: I have had several updates declined because of this, no matter how hard I tried to explain things to the no-voters. The screeners apparently also aren't able to see through those no-votes. IMHO, this REALLY needs to be fixed. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim: This is simply about a desire on the part of a cadre of users to EXCLUDE anything which THEY in their wisdom do not deem to be the title, even if it does not affect anything else, like the bogus Sort argument. In that desire they have gummed up the Rules BUT GOOD. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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