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BTW, are you guys sure that that particular guy is not actually in the movie playing a role as "Stunt Coordinator" ? ;)

*snicker*

In regards to this issue:
I plan on making TWO (2) submissions for this movie.  One cast member is cearly good because she's listed with the cast as one of the Eloi's.  I didn't want to delay getting in clearly good data in the event the contribution was denied for the cast credit.

After this one gets accepted and released, I'll submit an update for the crew memeber.  This topic could go either way as the poll stays neck-n-neck since this seems to be a gray area in the rules.

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The problem that we have is that users do not want to accept what they see on screen and some even think they know more than those that made the film.

By that some logic:
1. Why do we then allow uncredited cast ?
2. Why do we have "credited as" ?

This is no different than having someone in the cast list who clearly belongs in the crew.

Correct - there is no difference at all. Not all data in DVD Profiler comes directly from the screen - we actually DO get to use our brain when entering the data. With that in mind, I'd say that like we can recognize additional cast credits among the crew and handle those appropriately (i.e. append them to the cast list), we can also recognize a crew credit among the cast, and handle that appropriately (i.e. leave it out). I don't see much difference between those two situations...

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As I stated some users do not wish to accept what is On screen and believe that they are smarter than the data and the filmmakers.

I repeat: using the "credited as" feature indeed requires us to be "smarter than the data"... There's no point in repeating that over and over - it has become one of the basic premises of the software - and rightly so. You really need to realize that the days in which we just blindly had to copy everything we saw on-screen are long gone - and thank heavens for that!

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Only if you provide documentation, Tim, Which you generally do a very poor job of BTW. Your documentation needs to get a WHOLE lot better.

And once again that is not the topic of this thread.

Skip

Let's leave that up to the voters and the screeners, shall we? Seriously: if this is what you need to resort to, then I can only feel sorry for you. The only point I was trying to make is that you should stop saying that "some users feel that they are smarter than the data". As I said: that has become one of the basic premises of the software, like it or not. To bring this back on-topic: the fact that the direction in which DVD Profiler is going actually allows us to THINK while entering the data, can IMHO also apply to the problem at hand. The field is called "cast", and we all agree that a "stunt coordinator" isn't exactly a "cast" credit. So we can leave him out. That's what I've done for years, and I will keep doing so. I might add that I don't recall ever encountering a "stunt coordinator" listed in a profile, but if I did, I'd try to remove him immediately.

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When did you become a Producer and when did you buy the rights to that movie?  Because that's the only way you have the right to say that guy should not be included in the cast.

So, why do we consider a Screenwriter to be a "Writer" (to show that the guy wrote the original material, not an adaptation), even if film credits say "Screenplay"?
When did we buy the rights to the movie? 

We don't!

Screenplay credit on screen ALWAYS equals Screenwriter credit in DVDP.

If you are doing anything else, it's wrong.

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Copy the cast list exactly.

That's one way of looking at it. The other way is: "Copy the cast list exactly." A stunt coordinator isn't part of the "cast", so one could easily argue, based on the same quote from the rules, that he shouldn't be included. It just depends which part you emphasize... I'd say that technically, the rules allow you to go either way. And I certainly know which way I've chosen for my local database.

Your reasoning might make sense if that is what the rules said.  The rules define standard film credits and then say, "For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

There is nothing in there that says, "Copy the cast list exactly." 

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When did you become a Producer and when did you buy the rights to that movie?  Because that's the only way you have the right to say that guy should not be included in the cast.

So, why do we consider a Screenwriter to be a "Writer" (to show that the guy wrote the original material, not an adaptation), even if film credits say "Screenplay"?
When did we buy the rights to the movie? 

We don't!

Screenplay credit on screen ALWAYS equals Screenwriter credit in DVDP.

If you are doing anything else, it's wrong.

If it is an original Screenplay, not adapted from another work, and it is credited as "Screenplay", should we credit "Screenwriter" or "Writer"?

The Rules say to use Screenwriter "for Adapted Screenplays", and that's not the case.

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The problem that we have is that users do not want to accept what they see on screen and some even think they know more than those that made the film.

By that some logic:
1. Why do we then allow uncredited cast ?
2. Why do we have "credited as" ?

This is no different than having someone in the cast list who clearly belongs in the crew.

Because the Rules specifically spell those things out.

You guys are really grasping....... 

Right, we even credit uncredited cast because the rules allow us to do so.
But, why do the Rules allow us to do?
I think it's because we are interested in knowing, for instance, if Harrison Ford plays a cameo role in a movie, even if he is uncredited.
I mean, we are also interested in the actual information, not only in film credits as such.