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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | What some fail to understand or realize is that the program is called DVD Profiler. It's not Movie Profiler or Film Profiler or Beer Profiler. It's DVD Profiler folks. The title of this DVD release, as the front DVD cover art shows, is "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds". | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | And what you fail to understand or realise is that the rules state to take the title from opening credits. | | | Andy 
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote:
And what you fail to understand or realise is that the rules state to take the title from opening credits. You're right and the film's credits show the title to be "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds"  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here goes Andy off on one his spins to rationalize faulty logic.
@mdnitoil;
Thank you, Wassenglass was unclear in his notes and went off on a rant, you have confirmed the CORRECTNESS off his Psycho Contribution.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Here goes Andy off on one his spins to rationalize faulty logic.
@mdnitoil;
Thank you, Wassenglass was unclear in his notes and went off on a rant, you have confirmed the CORRECTNESS off his Psycho Contribution.
Skip  Oh god, that's perfect! Only in skip-world can Psycho and Rear Window and Vertigo now all be the wrong movie titles! We have officially gone through the looking glass when the zen rules parser is willing to completely rename 50 year old movies rather than admit he screwed up.  I notice Dan is silent on the subject. I wonder how many others are willing to completely rewrite cinema history? | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting Lopek:Quote:
And what you fail to understand or realise is that the rules state to take the title from opening credits.
You're right and the film's credits show the title to be "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds" . I'll entertain this thought of yours for just one second. Show me a screenshot from the movie with the title you claim is correct. If you can, I'll gladly agree with you. This should be pretty darn simple, you claim this is the actual title, prove it. We all know I can demonstrate a screenshot that only says "The Birds" as that's what's in the credits. It's not rocket science, people. Just pull out your copies and look. The proof is staring you in the face if you just take the time to investigate. If you have The Birds, then odds are you have Vertigo, Rear Window, etc. Check those as well. It took me a whopping 5 minutes to confirm what I'm talking about. Let's see you guys actually back up this fictitious title you've invented. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | What is the problem with you people? Does everybody just put their brains on the shelf when they do a profile, or what?
Possessives only work one way, and it doesn't matter a tinker's damn how they show that on the screen as long as the possessive and its object are not broken out of sequence.
The possessive is "Alfred Hitchcock's" and the object is "The Birds" and should be written as 'Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds.' They can present that anyway they want to on screen as long as there is nothing between the possessive and the object in the filmed sequence. This sort of thing is common as dirt.
John Carpenter's Vampires, Frank Herbert's Dune, Frank Miller's Sin City, Margaret Mitchell's Gone With the Wind, etc. | | | John
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay John, then we have a whole bundle of Hitchcock titles that are wrong...and have been for a really long time. So who's gonna step up to the plate and fix them? Using your example, and I have to check, but do we actually call it "Margaret Mitchell's Gone With the Wind"? **edit - I checked, and of course we don't. What a surprise. ** Sometimes you just have to realize when we're being purposely obtuse. This serves no practical purpose except to change the names of films that people have recognized for generations. It's dumb on the face of it. But let's not stop the stupidity there, we've actually started the discussion arguing that this particular movie was a special case that required the possessive. Now, we're actually going to rip through the entire database and flumox things...all for this one silly entry. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | First a note: this thread is bordering on becoming abusive - how about we try and discuss this without restorting to insults or rolling eye icons? this is not to anyone in particular, purely a comment on the general attitude in the thread.
OK, although I disagree with them on this case, those arguing for possessives in the titles have a point. At what stage do we decide if they are included or not? Do they have to be on the screen at the same time, do they have to be of a comparible size to the film's title? These are questions I think need answered.
In Alfred Hitchcock's case, it has to be noted that this was his title card. Most directors use "A John Smith Film", Martin Scorcese uses "A Martin Scorcese Movie". Alfred Hitchcock used "Alfred Hitchcock's". That's why I believe it should not be used as part of the title of his films. It was a credit for him, not for his film. You could call it his trademark if you will. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
I'll entertain this thought of yours for just one second. Show me a screenshot from the movie with the title you claim is correct. If you can, I'll gladly agree with you. This should be pretty darn simple, you claim this is the actual title, prove it. We all know I can demonstrate a screenshot that only says "The Birds" as that's what's in the credits.
It's not rocket science, people. Just pull out your copies and look. The proof is staring you in the face if you just take the time to investigate. If you have The Birds, then odds are you have Vertigo, Rear Window, etc. Check those as well. It took me a whopping 5 minutes to confirm what I'm talking about. Let's see you guys actually back up this fictitious title you've invented. Fact of the matter is we don't have to provide you with anything. The proof is in the credits. Your failure to see it does not constitute error on our part. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | But the point is, the "Alfred Hitchcock's" in on another screen to the film title.
And as I noted earlier, Alfred Hitchcock used this as his credit for the majority of his Hollywood films. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:Quote:
I'll entertain this thought of yours for just one second. Show me a screenshot from the movie with the title you claim is correct. If you can, I'll gladly agree with you. This should be pretty darn simple, you claim this is the actual title, prove it. We all know I can demonstrate a screenshot that only says "The Birds" as that's what's in the credits.
It's not rocket science, people. Just pull out your copies and look. The proof is staring you in the face if you just take the time to investigate. If you have The Birds, then odds are you have Vertigo, Rear Window, etc. Check those as well. It took me a whopping 5 minutes to confirm what I'm talking about. Let's see you guys actually back up this fictitious title you've invented.
Fact of the matter is we don't have to provide you with anything. The proof is in the credits. Your failure to see it does not constitute error on our part. Shoot, I need to get your version then because mine doesn't have what you describe in it. Here, let me show you.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
But the point is, the "Alfred Hitchcock's" in on another screen to the film title.
And as I noted earlier, Alfred Hitchcock used this as his credit for the majority of his Hollywood films. This is exactly how I see it. Or are we now saying that titles are possibly now be split over multiple credit pages? That's going to lead to some interesting suggestions. | | | Andy
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Shoot, I need to get your version then because mine doesn't have what you describe in it. Here, let me show you. You can post all the silly screenshots you want to. It doesn't change the fact that the title in the credits is "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds" . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
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You can post all the silly screenshots you want to. It doesn't change the fact that the title in the credits is "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds" . Except when the title you want isn't actually in the credits. Okay, it's he said/she said now so this is pointless. I've made the strongest case I possibly can for this movie and it wasn't even my submission. Heck, I think the original submission is dead now. A personal pet peeve of mine is consistency. If we're going to obstinantly stick to this title, then we better rip through the other Hitchcock films and "fix" them as well. Like I said, this is a personal problem of mine and I'll just have to deal with it locally because in no way would I advocate screwing up all the other Hitchcock films.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | The credits will vary depending on the release. Most places in the world know the film as The Birds or "The Birds". An alternative title/s is Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds or Alfred Hitcock's "The Birds".
The bottom line is that depending on which release that you have, either variation might be correct.
My personal opinion is that the film title should be "The Birds" but that is neither here nor there.
For what it is worth, there is only one version in the online DB entitled Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and that is UPC 025192027529. All other versions released are entitled The Birds. | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
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