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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 922 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Indications for multiple versions of a film
I'd say that's pretty clear? That would be P&S and WS, not two cuts. And sorry, the second cut is not "bonus material". Who's to decide which one is the "bonus"? Same with the Ben Hur model... | | | 
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting BYATES1: Quote:
Just wondering why if we do not profile bonus discs why did some do this for the special edition of My Name is Earl Season 1. Did the bonus Disc the yellow one Slip through the process.
Thanks A lot of bonus discs are submitted against the rules and some slip through. And because us law-abiding citizens (  ) don't have the bonus discs in our collection, they never show up on our voting page! But just to clarfy - you are allowed to submit bonus discs if they cover more than one film. The disc in the Alien Quadrilogy box to give one example. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SH84: Quote:
Quoting Berak:
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Indications for multiple versions of a film
I'd say that's pretty clear?
That would be P&S and WS, not two cuts.
That's not made clear in the rules at all though. It can just as easily refer to alternate cuts of a film, especially when made available via branching. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I find fascinating is that the poll results are split almost exactly down the middle! Seems to me the box set rules are not very clear!   | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
What I find fascinating is that the poll results are split almost exactly down the middle! Another reason why the Ben-Hur model has been developed as a compromise. It should satisfy both camps. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 36 |
| | Posted: | | | | Correct...
It would satisfy, if one of the movies is declared as "Main Feature" and the other one as "Bonus Feature". But if both movies are equal... - the "Ben-Hur-Model" won't work. | | | | Ääärrrrrmin!! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting BYATES1: Quote:
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For me, in this case, the deciding factir will be "How is it packaged?"
If all disks are in the same case --> Not a boxset
If you have a case for the theatrcal cut, a double case for the director's cut and a third case for the bonus --> Then it's a boxset and you must create 3 child profiles for each case.
Packaging has nothing to do with it. We don't profile Bonus discs either.
Rifter
Just wondering why if we do not profile bonus discs why did some do this for the special edition of My Name is Earl Season 1. Did the bonus Disc the yellow one Slip through the process.
Thanks Cain't tell ya that. I know I didn't vote for it, as I don't have it. Another case of some idiot not following the rules I suppose. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Some bonus disc have been profiled because they were part of a special release from a chain like Best Buy, Target or WalMart. Where they included a bonus Disc in the package but, there wasn't a special UPC for this release. So the only way to profile this content was to profile just the Disc by itself and allow the members to manually add the bonus disc to their box set contents of the entire package. If the bonus disc came as part of the set with its own UPC then the bonus disc should have been profiled along with all the contents of that UPC.
As far as I know this has been going on since store like Best Buy have been releasing Bonus Discs as part of a special DVD release. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lexxx: Quote:
Correct...
It would satisfy, if one of the movies is declared as "Main Feature" and the other one as "Bonus Feature". But if both movies are equal... - the "Ben-Hur-Model" won't work. Usually the movies are not equal. If nothing else does weight their relevance, we could always take them in the order they are listed. In the case of "Der mit dem Wolf tanzt / Dances with Wolves" (UPC 4-006680-027197 Germany) the cover says "Jetzt endlich auch in Deutschland auf DVD! Costners 180-minütige Urfassung ... + 230 min. Kino-Langfassung" (Finally on DVD! Costners 180 min. original version ... + 230 min. theatrical long version). Therefore I would definitely favour the finaly available original version for the main profile. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 36 |
| | Posted: | | | | Again...
this discussion does not lead to an end. The "Dances with Wolves"-Case is just an example... - there are other things.... "Robocop" - as I said before. Btw.: I did not mention "Dances..." at all.... - it is a basic question.
In my opinion, different cuts are different movies. In other's opinion, they are not. As I said somewhere else: I collect DVDs with films on it. I do not collect DVD-Packages. If a DVD has a film on it... - it willl find its way in my collection.
Take a look at the Poll... - the results show, that the "Box-Set-Thing" is not really clear.
@Ken @Gerri... - please re-design the rules. | | | | Ääärrrrrmin!! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lexxx: Quote:
Take a look at the Poll... - the results show, that the "Box-Set-Thing" is not really clear. Have to agree with you there. Right now it is split 28 to 27 |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Many of these debates remind me of Bill Clinton's arguement of "it depends on what your definition of is is".  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lexxx: Quote:
The "Dances with Wolves"-Case is just an example... - there are other things.... "Robocop" - as I said before. Btw.: I did not mention "Dances..." at all.... Yes, it's just an example to back up the fact that different cuts are seldom weighted equal in any distribution. And if they are, we could always favour the one which is listed first for the main profile in a Ben-Hur style profile. EDIT: and your (imaginary?) Robocop example wouldn't give any trouble as well. It is a box set because there are Robocop 1, 2, and 3 included. The profile for the alternative cut would fit in easily as a not mandatory 4th profile to the box set the same way the 2nd profile is not mandatory to be downloaded for a Ben-Hur profile. As said before, this setup would serve both camps. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think it should be a box set. Look at the ultimate edition of Dawn of the Dead. That set has 3 different cuts, each one has a different tone than the other. One has more humor, another (Dario Argento's cut), took all of that out... Also, each one has different audio tracks. IIRC, the theatrical cut has DTS while the others do not (in fact, one only has a mono track). Currently, it's listed like a regular DVD with all those audio options in one. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
Currently, it's listed like a regular DVD with all those audio options in one. I don't know "Dawn of the Dead". But all audio in one profile is definitely wrong. The argument would be that one cut is the main cut and the others are bonus. This main cut should be profiled in the main profile whereas the bonus cuts should only be mentioned as "other feature" in the main profile. But they could be profiled optionally as child profiles in the Ben-Hur style. |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 72 |
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The argument would be that one cut is the main cut and the others are bonus. This main cut should be profiled in the main profile whereas the bonus cuts should only be mentioned as "other feature" in the main profile. But they could be profiled optionally as child profiles in the Ben-Hur style. And how to define the main cut? This is easy if the producer clearly states which cut is the main feature and the others were only a bonus. But when all cuts are equal in the package, every user uses different criteria to weight the importance of the cuts. One user wants to follow the intentions of the director and his cut. Other use simple technical features, for example this is the only cut with dts and so on... A Boxset is the simplest and clearest way to avoid endless ping-pong games between the different versions... | | | | Last edited: by Rince81 |
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