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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Erik - we could always face off and shoot it out. Winner decides  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would leave the as credited rules as is, then over time the interface could be changed to show an icon instead (for example a speaker, microphone, or something). I doubt anyone would complain over an icon next to "Voice of X".
Personally I can't see why the checkbox would be considered redundant. It contains information that can't reliable be optained from another field.
Similar, I do not consider the subtitle list redundant for movies where I can read the list of the cover scan, because I would not have any reliable way to access this information. | | | Regards
Lars |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Erik - we could always face off and shoot it out. Winner decides We could do that  | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | All right now boys, this isn't the OK Corrall, even though sometimes......  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
1. Griffin (voice)
2. Griffin's Voice
3. Griffin's Voice (voice)
1. not as credited
2. as credited
3. (voice) is redundant
So what's best? Easy: #2
Best is number 3.
From a programming standpoint number 3 is the best choice. It's as credited and also uses the voice flag, which maybe will have additional functionality in later versions (maybe it already does). For example putting special icons in skins or reports. How many times, Tom, have people told ME that you can't do things based on some future this or that in the program? More than I can count. Do yourself a favor and don't go there. #2 is the only way that follows the rules, so 'nuff said. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting TomGaines:
Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
1. Griffin (voice)
2. Griffin's Voice
3. Griffin's Voice (voice)
1. not as credited
2. as credited
3. (voice) is redundant
So what's best? Easy: #2
Best is number 3.
From a programming standpoint number 3 is the best choice. It's as credited and also uses the voice flag, which maybe will have additional functionality in later versions (maybe it already does). For example putting special icons in skins or reports.
How many times, Tom, have people told ME that you can't do things based on some future this or that in the program? More than I can count. Do yourself a favor and don't go there. #2 is the only way that follows the rules, so 'nuff said. Maybe you are right. And maybe not. Unfortunarely the rule is not written clearly. It says: - For animated films, use the "Voice" checkbox. This can obviously be interpreted two ways: 1) It only mention animated films, so we should only use the "Voice" checkbox for animated films 2) It specifically mentions we should use the "Voice" checkbox for animated films. It does not make any statement for non-animated films, so it is just a reminder that we need it for the animated movies (to avoid people leaving it unchecked because it is redundant information - after all, it is obvious it is voice only when it is an animated movie). And no, I am not trying to find loopholes. No, I am not trying to impose my own preferences on the database. And no, I am not trying to destroy the database or the universe. I am simply pointing out that the rules are not clear. | | | Regards
Lars |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | The main reason to use the voice checkbox is to distinct a common role from a vocal one. It's perfectly clear that when a role is credited as "XXX's Voice" or "Voice of XXX" we are dealing with a vocal one, but it's not if only "XXX" is used. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Speedy666: Quote:
According to the rules the "Voice" checkbox should only be used for animated films. Where is that "only" in the rules? The rules say nothing about the check box and non animated movies at all. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
How many times, Tom, have people told ME that you can't do things based on some future this or that in the program? It's not the future, it's the present. HTML windows and probably also plugins can handle the voice flag today. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
The main reason to use the voice checkbox is to distinct a common role from a vocal one. It's perfectly clear that when a role is credited as "XXX's Voice" or "Voice of XXX" we are dealing with a vocal one, but it's not if only "XXX" is used. It may be clear for you. But it may not be that clear for a HTML skin, plugin, or report. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also think we should tick the box for all voice acting, regardless of what the role name says.
I don't think you can say we don't do it because it's redundant data, as we have other data repeated in other parts of the profile without any problems. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lmoelleb: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
Quote:
Quoting TomGaines:
Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
Quote:
1. Griffin (voice)
2. Griffin's Voice
3. Griffin's Voice (voice)
1. not as credited
2. as credited
3. (voice) is redundant
So what's best? Easy: #2
Best is number 3.
From a programming standpoint number 3 is the best choice. It's as credited and also uses the voice flag, which maybe will have additional functionality in later versions (maybe it already does). For example putting special icons in skins or reports.
How many times, Tom, have people told ME that you can't do things based on some future this or that in the program? More than I can count. Do yourself a favor and don't go there. #2 is the only way that follows the rules, so 'nuff said.
Maybe you are right. And maybe not. Unfortunarely the rule is not written clearly. It says:
- For animated films, use the "Voice" checkbox.
This can obviously be interpreted two ways:
1) It only mention animated films, so we should only use the "Voice" checkbox for animated films
2) It specifically mentions we should use the "Voice" checkbox for animated films. It does not make any statement for non-animated films, so it is just a reminder that we need it for the animated movies (to avoid people leaving it unchecked because it is redundant information - after all, it is obvious it is voice only when it is an animated movie).
And no, I am not trying to find loopholes. No, I am not trying to impose my own preferences on the database. And no, I am not trying to destroy the database or the universe. I am simply pointing out that the rules are not clear. There is absolutely no ambiguity in that rule at all. None. It is as simple a statement of fact as you can get. Why does everybody have to try to read something into it that isn't stated? It says, clearly, to check the 'voice' box for animated films. It says nothing about anything else, therefore, don't try to apply it to any situation that ISN'T an animated film. Just read what is there, and follow the rule as it is written, and don't add any other interpretation to it. How much simpler can it be? | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
There is absolutely no ambiguity in that rule at all. None. It is as simple a statement of fact as you can get. Why does everybody have to try to read something into it that isn't stated? It says, clearly, to check the 'voice' box for animated films. It says nothing about anything else, therefore, don't try to apply it to any situation that ISN'T an animated film. Just read what is there, and follow the rule as it is written, and don't add any other interpretation to it. How much simpler can it be? I just love the arguments claiming the rules are not ambigious embedded in long discussions on how to interpret the rules. It makes me think of the "There is nothing to see here, move along..." scene from Naked Gun (whichever one of them it was).  I completely agree with the reasoning behind your arguments for the way you interpret the rules are valid. However, I can also see the other way of reading it. That is kind of the problem here. You have to make an interpretation of what the impact is of the rules NOT mentioning what to do for non-animated movies. Your interpretation is as far as I can see: "then the field is not mentioned for other movies and hence should not be set". Fair enough. Others read: "then it is just a comment to remind us we need to set the field even if it is clear the role is voice only based on the context of the movie". Both are just different interpretations of the missing definition on what to do with non-animated movies. | | | Regards
Lars | | | | Last edited: by lmoelleb |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lmoelleb: Quote:
I just love the arguments claiming the rules are not ambigious embedded in long discussions on how to interpret the rules. It makes me think of the "There is nothing to see here, move along..." scene from Naked Gun (whichever one of them it was).
I completely agree with the reasoning behind your arguments for the way you interpret the rules are valid. However, I can also see the other way of reading it. That is kind of the problem here.
LOL - nice analogy (it was the first one BTW). You're quite right - in fact I had always interpreted it the other way - that it was a reminder to do it for animated films. I had never considered the other interpretation before. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
There is absolutely no ambiguity in that rule at all. None. It is as simple a statement of fact as you can get. Why does everybody have to try to read something into it that isn't stated? It says, clearly, to check the 'voice' box for animated films. It says nothing about anything else, therefore, don't try to apply it to any situation that ISN'T an animated film. Just read what is there, and follow the rule as it is written, and don't add any other interpretation to it. How much simpler can it be? Maybe that rule is there so people will add the voice tag in a situation where it really isn't needed. Animated film roles are obviously 'voice only' so people might not think to check the 'voice' box. Just because you don't see any ambiguity doesn't mean there isn't any. Obviously there is, otherwise we wouldn't have this three page thread.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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